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re: Aircraft carrier captain to be removed from duty
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:04 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:04 pm to 13SaintTiger
Wrong, medical/dental issues directly relate to fighting capability!
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:06 pm to longwayfromLA
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He should be commended for his actions.
By telling the world he wanted only 10% of staff running the ship? That's painting a helluva red bull's eye on your back don't you think?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:06 pm to AggieHank86
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Why is everyone assuming that it was Captain Crozier who leaked to the press?
Assuming he was NOT the leak, was he not conveying up the chain of command EXACTLY the type of info that his superiors may have needed in order to ASSESS operational readiness?
The fact that I don't see any classified markings on the document puts the onus on the Captain. That letter should at least been classified Secret.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:07 pm to Jbird
The only people who would want a ship captain to whine to the media when things get tight would be liberals and their such insufferable fricks no sane person would want to serve with them.
Good riddance to a coward
Good riddance to a coward
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:13 pm to Sentrius
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The act of leaking the letter more than cancels out his concern for the sailors on his ship.
Compromising OpSec is a big no no and does as much to put those sailors in grave danger as the coronavirus is doing right now.
In his judgment, the juice was worth the squeeze considering the operational security implications. In my Navy days, I would want a CO who had my back like, but I'd definitely fire a subordinate who went outside the chain in such a way.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:15 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Anything that compromises the safety or mission of an aircraft carrier to me falls on the side of treason rather than political maneuverings.
Intent matters to me here.
Did he specifically do it to aid a foreign enemy? If so, that is treason.
If he did not do it to aid an enemy and it's undermining his superiors and disregarding his obligations to OpSec, it's sedition.
The captain may have had good intentions but the act itself is sedition by definition.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:16 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:Maybe he was.
He should be commended for his actions. But he still needs to be disciplined. He was looking out for his sailors at the expense of his own career. That takes courage.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:18 pm to AggieHank86
quote:He was, the sitreps etc aren't open to interpretation.
Assuming he was NOT the leak, was he not conveying up the chain of command EXACTLY the type of info that his superiors may have needed in order to ASSESS operational readiness?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:25 pm to Sentrius
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If he did not do it to aid an enemy and it's undermining his superiors and disregarding his obligations to OpSec, it's sedition.
The captain may have had good intentions but the act itself is sedition by definition.
You can't possibly believe that all actions that reckless disregard opsec are sedition. Have you ever looked at a sailor social media?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:26 pm to Jbird
quote:So, it is a metaphysical impossibility that ANYONE ELSE could have leaked the info?quote:He was, the sitreps etc aren't open to interpretation.
Assuming he was NOT the leak,....
OK
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:28 pm to ImaObserver
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At a time when China is asserting itself and rapidly expanding it's influence in southeast Asia, this is failure to maintain security is absolutely intolerable.
It wouldn't be hard for an intelligence agency worth it's salt to figure out the state of readiness of every DDG and LHD in the Strait of Taiwan, based upon when and where the ship last made port and the spread-rate of the flu provided in the Captain's letter.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:32 pm to longwayfromLA
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You can't possibly believe that all actions that reckless disregard opsec are sedition
There's quite a difference between the run of the mill sailor and the goddamn aircraft carrier captain.
Like a previous poster said, carrier captains are highly vetted like it's a damn enema. Captains are responsible for five thousand people on the ship and responsible for other ships in his fleet. Every action he takes has an effect on those people and the buck stops with him.
Any action that the captain takes that compromises OpSec deserves and will get more scrutiny than a random sailor.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:33 pm to Jbird
He was removed for leaking it.
Not for penning the letter.
Not for penning the letter.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:34 pm to keks tadpole
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It wouldn't be hard for an intelligence agency worth it's salt to figure out the state of readiness of every DDG and LHD in the Strait of Taiwan, based upon when and where the ship last made port and the spread-rate of the flu provided in the Captain's letter.
Well that is a problem then. Putting the shoe on the other foot, I would say it is marginally difficult for US Intelligence agencies to get that type of information on our adversaries.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:35 pm to AggieHank86
Well Hank, even if he did not leake it personally his failure to follow the chain of command and proper security for his communication unquestionably created the opportunity for it to be leaked.
He had to go. The example he set for other leaders could not be allowed to stand.
He had to go. The example he set for other leaders could not be allowed to stand.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:37 pm to Jbird
Who will play him in the movie after displaying his wokeness?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:40 pm to Sentrius
There is also the political-military sensitivity, which he is either ignorant of or malicious.
If a US intelligence asset in Russia could get a letter like this from one of their major ships Captains, that would be a tremendous coup. And then if the US powers that be decided to publish it, it would be purely to undermine the current regime and it would not be negligible.
If a US intelligence asset in Russia could get a letter like this from one of their major ships Captains, that would be a tremendous coup. And then if the US powers that be decided to publish it, it would be purely to undermine the current regime and it would not be negligible.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:47 pm to SOKAL
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even if he did not leake it personally
That's just it. The leak did start with him whether he leaked it directly to someone in the press or leaked it to someone he knew would leak it to the press.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:08 pm to Jbird
Since Obama there have been so many unprecedented military happenings. It worsened with Trump finding out the Pentagon is PC fixed with call me Lt. Col. Vindmans.
I knew when I heard this story the other day something was off. You don't break the chain of command and go to the media and whine.
I knew when I heard this story the other day something was off. You don't break the chain of command and go to the media and whine.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:16 pm to cajunangelle
I found his little peacetime diatribe a bit sickening as well. I kind of wish he would get the Great Santini treatment and speech as well. The hygiene part seems relevant as well. I will just leave this here.
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Bull Meechum: A fighting man must be vigilant to surprise attack no matter where he is. The survival of our nation depends on the readiness of Marines all over the world. Also more importantly, you only wiped yourself twice - grossly insufficient. Right now, germs with names you can't even pronounce are preparing to launch a devastating attack that will render you helpless in the defense of your country... Do you read me?
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