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re: AI and the job market 5 years from now
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:05 am to captainFid
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:05 am to captainFid
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Much of this will be free
Based upon the buildout costs for AI infrastructure, why would this remain free? They’re going into pour over a trillion into this.
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:05 am to RaginCajunz
Learn to weld?“(Quote)
I have a good friend who is a top tier welder; they fly him across Nation to make welds. Being ‘retired’ but for the money he can’t pass up, he teaches at a local Tech College in his spare time. He is a disciplined community altruist.
The class he teaches is where the ‘welder’ oversees the mechanical welding apparatus. AI driven. He says that is the future and that in 18 months a student can graduate I to an immediate $125K job. I imagine that one ‘overseer’ could work a lot of AI welders.
I used to hate a job because it locked me/my idealist vision/spirit into a mundane life. A lot are in that mundane vision but do what they have to do to survive and prosper. Of course, thanks to Jesus/Holy Spirit, my own vision radically changed to where I knew that it should and could be. The coming Knowledge, given proper and true vision, can turn this world into a utopian dream. As prophesied, by many religions. Albeit the transformation won’t be cake. And who wants a cake version of life anyway.
It’s coming.
I have a good friend who is a top tier welder; they fly him across Nation to make welds. Being ‘retired’ but for the money he can’t pass up, he teaches at a local Tech College in his spare time. He is a disciplined community altruist.
The class he teaches is where the ‘welder’ oversees the mechanical welding apparatus. AI driven. He says that is the future and that in 18 months a student can graduate I to an immediate $125K job. I imagine that one ‘overseer’ could work a lot of AI welders.
I used to hate a job because it locked me/my idealist vision/spirit into a mundane life. A lot are in that mundane vision but do what they have to do to survive and prosper. Of course, thanks to Jesus/Holy Spirit, my own vision radically changed to where I knew that it should and could be. The coming Knowledge, given proper and true vision, can turn this world into a utopian dream. As prophesied, by many religions. Albeit the transformation won’t be cake. And who wants a cake version of life anyway.
It’s coming.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:10 am to scottydoesntknow
There is some concern; however, and I have mentioned this before...AI has a long way to go before it begins to replace integral jobs.
I use it daily in my profession, and, I find considerable errors. The aggregation capabilities of the model are not in question...but the line, "garbage in, garbage out" still has merit.
I would recommend pursuit in careers for welders, plumbers, computer and AC techs however.
A green welder coming out of high school and a 6 month training school is starting at 60K. Three years experience and a combination hand will get you six figures.
Good luck.
I use it daily in my profession, and, I find considerable errors. The aggregation capabilities of the model are not in question...but the line, "garbage in, garbage out" still has merit.
I would recommend pursuit in careers for welders, plumbers, computer and AC techs however.
A green welder coming out of high school and a 6 month training school is starting at 60K. Three years experience and a combination hand will get you six figures.
Good luck.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:12 am to Decatur
Correct. Nothing is free.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:15 am to NIH
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AI is not nearly as far along as some of you think
Depends on the industry.
I can pull up a website, enter a desired command in English and have it spit out serviceable code in a dozen different programming languages.
That’s a problem for entry and mid level developers.
It’s going to chew up and spit out people who handle mundane repeatable tasks in any non physical role and then the robots will start taking those roles as well.
It will be at least as disruptive as the internet was to our society and more disruptive from an employment perspective.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:17 am to scottydoesntknow
So many positions will become irrelevant, it’s scary. A friend had an issue with a web program at work and 2 days later the program owner still hadn’t fixed it. She finally called her office tech dept out of desperation thinking they couldn’t fix bc it wasn’t within tech’s scope of duties or knowledge. Well, long story, tech entered the error code into chat GPT and was told how to fix the issue. Done. One day, employees will be expected to do this themselves and IT will mostly be irrelevant.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:17 am to Decatur
quote:Well, trillions have been spent on 'search' over the past quarter of a century ... yet it remains free. Email? Google Docs? Add in mapping (remember Rand McNally or Garmin?). These services have continued to remain free and the same will be for basic access to AI.
Based upon the buildout costs for AI infrastructure, why would this remain free? They’re going into pour over a trillion into this.
But along with the movement to competitive advantage, it will bring about a digital divide.
Someday, probably sooner, than later - it will be argued [just like the rural and urbanite impoverished without internet] should have access to their own AI.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:18 am to Jax-Tiger
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We will be doing 10 times as much work with the same number of people.
With same pay.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:28 am to scottydoesntknow
quote:because it can't. Ai is hilariously bad at generalized things or things that require actually thinking, because that's not what it's doing.
can now basically complete, id guess, 50% of the production of these tech jobs with little to no human oversight?
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:29 am to NIH
Chatgpt doesn't even know what year it is half the time when it's answering me
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:29 am to scottydoesntknow
If lawyers get absolutely fricked over we can deal with the rest.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:30 am to scottydoesntknow
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Id argue the opposite. Even if this were true, AI is something that will improve at an exponential rate. We need rules and guidelines.
Predicted to reach super intelligence by 2027. People are sticking their heads in the sand with this shite. People need to read the AI 2027 report.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:30 am to scottydoesntknow
AI isnt really AI. It is LLM. A great analogy is going from a hammer to a nail gun. Did framers lose their jobs in the process?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:32 am to captainFid
“AI” could be the best coder in the world. It won’t matter as long as humans are responsible for defining the requirements of the system.
Example:
Company A starts coding to Client B’s requirements and specifications.
Client B’s specifications are either incomplete, wrong, or out of date. Further, Client B’s database/system is built with a completely data architecture/schema with implicit and explicit rules the client cannot even articulate because it doesn’t yet know or understand the architecture of the incoming system.
All this means that the actual requirements needed are often unknown for months AFTER coders get involved. How is an “AI” coder going to be able to solve the actual problems of multi-system implementations when those problems can only be addressed and detailed outside the system first?
Example:
Company A starts coding to Client B’s requirements and specifications.
Client B’s specifications are either incomplete, wrong, or out of date. Further, Client B’s database/system is built with a completely data architecture/schema with implicit and explicit rules the client cannot even articulate because it doesn’t yet know or understand the architecture of the incoming system.
All this means that the actual requirements needed are often unknown for months AFTER coders get involved. How is an “AI” coder going to be able to solve the actual problems of multi-system implementations when those problems can only be addressed and detailed outside the system first?
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:35 am to umrebel2009
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Chatgpt doesn't even know what year it is half the time when it's answering me
That's because for its general knowledge--i.e., things it doesn't have to search the web for--it's only trained on current events through June 2024.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:35 am to AUCE05
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AI isnt really AI. It is LLM. A great analogy is going from a hammer to a nail gun. Did framers lose their jobs in the process?
Exactly. It’s the new “cloud solutions”, a buzz word C-Suite morons fall for and end up stepping on their own dicks trying to implement.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:37 am to scottydoesntknow
I do enjoy the copium from all the software devs who have viewed themselves as god's gift to the workforce for the past 20 years thinking the gravy train isn't ending.
First it was "AI will never be good enough to take away programming jobs."
Now it's "Well, AI can code a little bit, but it's only going to affect junior coding positions, but not me! I'm safe because I have experience!"
That transition took all of about three years. Wonder where we'll be in another three years?
First it was "AI will never be good enough to take away programming jobs."
Now it's "Well, AI can code a little bit, but it's only going to affect junior coding positions, but not me! I'm safe because I have experience!"
That transition took all of about three years. Wonder where we'll be in another three years?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:38 am to Houag80
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the line, "garbage in, garbage out" still has merit.
This is perfect for the political board. If enough Democrats repeat the line that Donald Trump is a pedophile, then how long will it be before AI created articles, queries, etc, start repeating that Donald Trump is a pedophile with 93.6% certainty?
People will start using manipulating the data used by AI to force AI to generate a biased result that works to their advantage. The next vaccine that comes out? Ensuring that AI support is there will be part of the vaccine rollout process.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:40 am to scottydoesntknow
shite changes.
Smart people will always be needed.
Smart people will always be needed.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:42 am to AUCE05
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Did framers lose their jobs in the process?
Some did. You don’t need as many framers with a nail gun vs hammer.
Take a look at roofing and how fast guys can lay it down with a nail gun vs hammer
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