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Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:05 am to Hayekian serf
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They’re are guilty.
shite, the government could save a ton of fricking money and hire you to determine guilt or innocence...
Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:06 am to idlewatcher
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Can you defend him attempting to grab a loaded rifle?
If he hadn't done that he'd be alive today.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:06 am to mouton
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Yet half of this board defends them.
I’ve never defended them. But I’m also firm in my stance that Ahmaud wasn’t out for a nice jog and was gunned down for jogging.
He was shot because he’s a criminal.
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:08 am to idlewatcher
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Can you defend him attempting to grab a loaded rifle?
After someone pointed the gun at him, tried to hit him with a vehicle and said they were going to shoot him, it is defensible from a self-defense perspective.
It’s not smart. But neither is chasing someone through a subdivision with guns for trespassing.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:11 am to Flats
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What specific actions of his did I defend?
Yeah, go with that.
It's a pretty simple straight forward question.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 11:49 am to 511
Crap like this goes on every year, but not every year was an election year with the DNC desperately looking for a white on black race crime.
Had this happened this year, it would never have made the news.
Had this happened this year, it would never have made the news.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:01 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Had this happened this year, it would never have made the news.
It would have definitely still been a big story. Now if the races were reversed......
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:02 pm to 511
The prosecution basically dismantled any shot of using citizens arrest as a defense to lead to self defense in opening statements, because the guys themselves said they didn't know what they were chasing him down for. For citizens arrest to be valid they would have needed to know specifically, either witnessed themselves or directly from someone who witnessed him fleeing from the house he burglarized or they thought he burglarized. Without that, you can't claim citizens arrest, in which case you can't claim self defense in the shooting because it wasn't a valid citizens arrest at the time so they were in the process of committing false imprisonment and assault, and the guy with the shotgun didn't retreat so he can't claim that he regained the right to self defense by retreating from the conflict that legally he provoked in the commission of a crime. The entire defense hinged on if they had credible first hand knowledge to believe arbery was fleeing from a specific crime. They are going to jail, not sure what the defense thinks they are trying to do here
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:03 pm to 511
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ahmaud arbery trial has started. its live now.
Their goose is cooked. That’s going to be the short and skinny of that. They better be looking for a plea bargain.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:20 pm to Hayekian serf
quote:Eh. Hard to just automatically assume the hillbillies' actions would have been the same with a white "suspect". Also, extremely hard to imagine the police/DA would have just casually released them with almost no inquiry had they not been white.
This has nothing to do with race.
The ONLY reason this is actually going to trial is because there was a blue dress. That's never a good look.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:22 pm to Jubal_Harshaw
quote:Not hard, although a lot of the alleged misbehavior on the day of the shooting just didn't actually happen.
How hard is it to acknowledge that Arbery was a petty criminal and wannabe thug,
quote:I'm not going to say that about hardly anyone. He was young. Plenty of world changers and otherwise good people were not the greatest in their teens and twenties.
that the world is probably a better place without him,
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Also, extremely hard to imagine the police/DA would have just casually released them with almost no inquiry had they not been white.
I think the DA’s relation with the son drove that.
It’s a little amazing to think they wouldn’t have likely been charged if the friend doesn’t release the video thinking it exonerates them.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:22 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Yes, easily. He was cornered and decided his only chance was to get the gun away from the murderer pointing it at him.
Can you defend him attempting to grab a loaded rifle?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:24 pm to the808bass
quote:It's hard to judge it tactically based only on the outcome. There are clear scenarios where he succeeds. Who knows what the actual risk/reward was? He was obviously quite winded - and no doubt terrified.
After someone pointed the gun at him, tried to hit him with a vehicle and said they were going to shoot him, it is defensible from a self-defense perspective.
It’s not smart. But neither is chasing someone through a subdivision with guns for trespassing.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Also, extremely hard to imagine the police/DA would have just casually released them with almost no inquiry had they not been white.
Kim Foxx would like a word…….
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:28 pm to mmcgrath
"They are going to get convicted on what they said to the police alone. What a bunch of idiots."
I think the actual shooter is the only one that runs the risk of being convicted. The other two will walk.
I think the actual shooter is the only one that runs the risk of being convicted. The other two will walk.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:33 pm to hogcard1964
quote:You never know what a jury will do, but I think you may be forgetting about the "felony murder" aspect of the case.
I think the actual shooter is the only one that runs the risk of being convicted. The other two will walk.
If the jury agrees that the Defendants were engaged in ANY felony (the charges are aggravated assault and false imprisonment for the "citizen's arrest"), then the other two will be guilty of "felony murder" to the same extent as McMichael Jr.
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:34 pm to mmcgrath
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Clearly not high IQ defendents here.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 12:34 pm to hogcard1964
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I think the actual shooter is the only one that runs the risk of being convicted. The other two will walk.
If they’re attempting to illegally detain Arbery, they’re all in trouble. The trailing car driver admitting to trying to hit Arbery with his car isn’t going to help him.
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