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re: ahmaud arbery trial has started. its live now.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:12 pm to mouton
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:12 pm to mouton
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I am pretty sure that implies you think it is possible .
Of course I think it's possible, but again, you're attempting to tie my point to whatever this particular statement is that was made in court. I don't even know what statement was made, I don't know what it was about, I don't know what defendant said it, nor do I care. Once again, for the last time, saying that we should believe a cop just because he's a cop is weird. It's like you've been in a coma for several years.
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:13 pm to 511
my bad
carry on
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:14 pm to mouton
there is video of him going in the house and coming out of the house. then standing by the porta potty. then going back in the house and then back out once again. the person filming then yells at arbery. arbery then takes off.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:15 pm to Flats
No I am saying if a gbi agent says under oath the same thing the defendant admitted to doing you should believe both.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:16 pm to 511
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there is video of him going in the house and coming out of the house. then standing by the porta potty. then going back in the house and then back out once again. the person filming then yells at arbery. arbery then takes off.
Was this person either of the McMichaels?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:16 pm to 511
quote:You may want to take a look at the elements of criminal trespass in Georgia. You can be guilty three ways: (a) entering when you have been affirmatively told not to do so, (b) refusing to leave when you are asked to do so, and (c) entering with the specific intent to commit theft.
he was also on private property. he didnt have permission to be there. that is also against the law.
Clearly, (a) and (b) do not apply here, so the question is whether Arbery entered with intent to steal something while he was there and whether the McMichael posse had actual knowledge of that intent.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:19 pm to jchamil
its probable grounds of suspicion.
the house had been robbed prior. they had already had a run in with a black male that got away prior. there is a 911 call of that.
they had every reason to believe that house was just robbed.
the house had been robbed prior. they had already had a run in with a black male that got away prior. there is a 911 call of that.
they had every reason to believe that house was just robbed.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:19 pm to mouton
quote:His name is Diego Perez.quote:Was this person either of the McMichaels?
there is video of him going in the house and coming out of the house. then standing by the porta potty. then going back in the house and then back out once again. the person filming then yells at arbery. arbery then takes off.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:21 pm to 511
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its probable grounds of suspicion.
I don't really think it is reasonable. We'll see though
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:21 pm to davyjones
Davy, if you have a moment, I would appreciate your thoughts on this thread.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:23 pm to 511
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there is video of him going in the house and coming out of the house. then standing by the porta potty. then going back in the house and then back out once again. the person filming then yells at arbery. arbery then takes off.
This doesn't matter unless one of the McMichaels took the video or was shown the video before chasing and shooting him. Is that what you're saying happened?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:23 pm to jchamil
I think what will ultimately be made clear is that under the type circumstances of this case, it's required that the citizen arrestor have had personally witnessed the alleged crime.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:23 pm to 511
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they had every reason to believe that house was just robbed.
By seeing someone run by the front of their house?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:25 pm to mouton
quote:thats going to be up to the jury. this didnt happen in a vacuum. the defendents had confronted this same guy directly about entering houses in the neighborhood, that was part of the defense's opening. They knew who he was, they had confronted him previously about entering houses at night, they had seen him in the neighborhood 12 days earlier and he feigned to have a gun at that time, and on the day of the shooting they saw him running down the road with a neighbor, who did see him in the house, on the phone with he cops and pointing at him to the defendants. It actually doesn't matter if everything lines up legally for them if anyone in the jury makes the not so hard connection with all these things and thinks its reasonable they tried to make a citizens arrest
Seeing a guy run by the front of your house does not equal:
quote:
"a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion"
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:32 pm to narddogg81
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They knew who he was
No they did not.
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saw him running down the road with a neighbor, who did see him in the house, on the phone with he cops and pointing at him to the defendants
This did not happen. Why are you making stuff up?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:34 pm to narddogg81
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makes the not so hard connection with all these things and thinks its reasonable they tried to make a citizens arrest
And ignores jury instructions.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:34 pm to mouton
quote:There is a 911 call from a couple of weeks earlier, in which McMichael Jr describes basically this interaction with Arbery on that site.quote:No they did not
They knew who he was
No evidence that McMichael Sr had any prior interaction with him in the neighborhood.
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:40 pm to Jubal_Harshaw
I moved that over to your thread.
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:49 pm to mouton
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quote:
They knew who he was
No they did not.
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saw him running down the road with a neighbor, who did see him in the house, on the phone with he cops and pointing at him to the defendants
This did not happen. Why are you making stuff up?
did you watch the defense opening statements?
Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:58 pm to Jubal_Harshaw
quote:feb 11th, the defendent travis saw arbery, who he had seen from other neighborhood cameras previously in the house under construction, skulking in the neighborhood at night, he pulled over and asked him what he was going. Arbery first ran and tried to hide behind a portapotty, then came back out. Arbery then feigned having a gun in his waist band and ran into the same house under construction he had been seen in previously 3 times. The defendant travis made a call to the police, and he, several others in the neighborhood, all armed, along with a police officer, went around the neighborhood trying to find arbery on the 11th. This was all laid out in the trial today, there were no objections by the prosecution on any of it
There is a 911 call from a couple of weeks earlier, in which McMichael Jr describes basically this interaction with Arbery on that site.
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