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Again Liberals, I don’t see a problem with this Tax Reform Bill

Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:26 am
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:26 am
So the poor folks don’t get anything. It’s not like they were asking.

I read where state and local income taxes can no longer be claimed as a deduction meh.

It’s a win for both sides: DACA will apparently be shored up and the Senator Collins says a bipartisan bill to stabilize the ACA has been agreed upon if she was a yes.

No biggie!

(Plus, I gets a tax break lol)
Posted by TheMidasTouch
Member since Oct 2017
440 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:29 am to
I don’t see how this tax bill is a big deal or problem at all. The only reason it’s making the news and we have a lot of hand clapping here is because Trump is finally going to get something passed.
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
6212 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:31 am to
Literally the only people who benefit are millionaires and corporations. That's it. They're the only ones, literally. Every one else is a sucker who's going to be killed by it...like literally. I heard someone tell me this on Facebook so it's true
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38941 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:34 am to
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Every one else is a sucker who's going to be killed by it...like literally.
oh no are we going to start seeing people dying in the street?
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16729 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:37 am to
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So the poor folks don’t get anything. It’s not like they were asking.



The poors get most if not all of any taxes paid back. What do they expect? Nobody should get a refund for more than the money they paid in.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
7145 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:00 am to
Of course i know you’re being sarcastic so I’m not arguing with you. Just something I’m pointing out about the corporations since you brought it up. It bugs me how media insinuates that corporations are all big and bad and the dems eat that up.

There are SO many small corporations that will benefit from this and their struggling employees in turn will benefit.

Several years ago i was the bookkeeper for a small law firm. The taxes were so high that there wasn’t much left to pay the secretaries, paralegals etc and non partner attorneys. Not all corporations are what the media paints them to be. It’s frustrating how people think of big skyrise downtown millionaires “stealing” from the poor when they hear the word corporation when the majority of corporations are small businesses.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
34567 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:03 am to
I just want more info on how college costs are taken into account. My older brother has 4 kids, the first starting college in 2 years.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78336 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:13 am to
quote:

So the poor folks don’t get anything. It’s not like they were paying anything.
fixed
Posted by tigerbait3488
River Ridge
Member since Dec 2007
11385 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:21 am to
Skrayper...can he afford 4 kids?
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
34567 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:22 pm to
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Skrayper...can he afford 4 kids?


Yes, he can. Doesn't mean I want him getting slammed by sudden changes that didn't exist when they were born.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7836 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:44 pm to
It does look there is a group of middle class who's taxes will go up. I'm not sure with the standard deduction being higher how that effects it. I haven't read much on how the corporate tax breaks work.

Raising taxes on the upper middle class to afford corporate tax cuts just doesn't sit right with me. Because "trickle down" is a load of shite. If you listen to the republican talking points you would think every company in the U.S. is going to give all their employees raises because they pay less in taxes. Yeah it doesn't work that way.

Does look like the majority of the middle class will get a significant break I like that part. I like taking confusion out of the tax code. I'll have to wait and see if the new standard deduction is better because I itemize every year. If it is then I like that part too.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

I don’t see a problem with this Tax Reform Bill


You must be a member of the donor class, at least the investor class. That's who this "tax reform" package helps, not so much the middle-class.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

You must be a member of the donor class, at least the investor class. That's who this "tax reform" package helps, not so much the middle-class.


Please explain. Doubling of standard deduction should help 95% of middle class families. I know it will help mine.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11661 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:05 pm to
Honestly it doesn’t seem as bad as some make it out to be. Maybe it’s just disappointing that Trump’s campaign promises were to make a tax deal for the middle class and not for “hedge-fund guys” and people like himself. It could feel a bit swampy.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:46 pm to
The cuts to individual's taxes sunset eventually. The tax cuts for people like Donald Trump (elimination of alternative minimum tax and estate tax is a BIG boon to him) and corporations are permanent. Well over 65% of the tax cuts in this package go to the wealthy and corporations. It's hardly a "middle-class tax cut." And it will definitely add to the national debt over ten years, likely about $2 trillion. I thought Republicans were against increasing the national debt, no?
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27213 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

oh no are we going to start seeing people dying in the street?
The Death Panels will be comprised of Conservative Tax Accountants!!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27032 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

It does look there is a group of middle class who's taxes will go up.


What income group? Give me a dollar range.

Based on what I've seen, pretty much every demographic is going to pay less.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16982 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

The cuts to individual's taxes sunset eventually. The tax cuts for people like Donald Trump (elimination of alternative minimum tax and estate tax is a BIG boon to him) and corporations are permanent. Well over 65% of the tax cuts in this package go to the wealthy and corporations.


Link?

Does the doubling of the standard deduction end?

Does the doubling of the child tax credit end?

If not then you're most likely wrong. Those 2 things alone help the lower and middle class immensely. Just show me some facts to back up your claim.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9948 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:42 pm to
I’d assume that most people here don’t make enough to see a significant difference either way. The bill was designed to slash corporate rates and eliminate the AMT, the rest is fluff to help it pass.

There are some nice crumbs for the middle class but don’t look at what the other hand is doing.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73275 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:47 pm to
The middle class ALREADY pays a negligible amount of federal income taxes

When you pay crumbs, how can you get a tax cut that is more than crumbs?
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