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re: According to arrest records, Floyd began saying "I can't breathe" before being pinned

Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75828 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:24 pm to
MY point is if you accept that what the OP said is true, Kneeling on the neck while they are unconscious is at least manslaughter.

If someone is drowning and I hit start hitting them with the oar from my boat, I can't turn around and be like "well they were already drowning. I didn't bludgeon them to death."
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

the808bass

There is a reason you come here so often. Why are you so afraid to say why?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6530 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:27 pm to
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This seems rather significant. "I Can't Breathe" has become the refrain for the entire movement that we see taking place throughout the country. The current contextual interpretation is one that symbolizes police brutality and systemic racism against black individuals, as everyone accepts that Floyd's utterance of these words was secondary to Chauvin's knee being applied to his neck.

But if Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" before he was ever pinned to the ground, does that not significantly change the current understanding of what was causing him difficulty to breathe, and subsequently succumbing to cardiac arrest?

The arrest record spells it out - "While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe".


Agreed it makes it a much more egregious violation by chauvin. The guy was already struggling to breath, makes the mechanical asphyxiation much more insidious of an action.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150293 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:29 pm to
Anything you don’t like is trollish.

Love ya anyway.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14181 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:30 pm to
Not surprising considering he was drugged out on fentanyl.
Posted by imhim1977
laplace
Member since Dec 2019
304 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:34 pm to
I remember when I got arrested,one of the charges was damage to police property,when I got copy of the report,it was because as he cuffed me one of his latex gloves tore some...
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6530 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:37 pm to
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Not surprising considering he was drugged out on fentanyl


People struggling to breath on fentanyl are passed out nearly comatose... maybe he was on fentanyl but quite clearly not enough for respiratory arrest. Certainly not conscious enough to give 4 police any legitimate struggle in an arrest.

This talking point is as idiotic as he had a heart attack on autopsy, which would have been impossible to identify on an autopsy given the timeframe. Either way cops are first responders and know how to handle a fentanyl OD and how to do CPR for a heart attack. Notably those situations do not involve mechanical asphyxiation. If those are the talking points you accept then why did Chauvin neglect his duty as an officer to administer aid to a civilian in his custody?
Posted by SnoopALoop
Nashville
Member since Apr 2014
4509 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:44 pm to
This is the same grown man who cried for his mama in his dying moments. I am sure he had heart issues and I'm pretty sure that cop car skyrocketed any anxiety he may have already had.

So yeah, he probably was freaking out already and Chauvin finished him off. It definitely could change things, but in the end, he was killed.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:53 pm to
"According to the guys that murdered him, the victim was fine with their brutality."
Posted by Geauxst Writer
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
4960 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:57 pm to
Makes no difference. We all saw 8 minutes of Chauvin killing him, and secondly, does anyone believe the cops report since they all knew that they had just killed someone on tape.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
13918 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:11 pm to
The left doesn’t care about evidence. They want a scalp.
Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
Member since Nov 2008
3205 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:20 pm to
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ME: homicide
That’s probably a clue.

Homicide, the killing of one human being by another. Homicide is a general term and may refer to a noncriminal act as well as the criminal act of murder. Some homicides are considered justifiable, such as the killing of a person to prevent the commission of a serious felony or to aid a representative of the law. Other homicides are said to be excusable, as when a person kills in self-defense. A criminal homicide is one that is not regarded by the applicable criminal code as justifiable or excusable. All legal systems make important distinctions between different types of homicide, and punishments vary greatly according to the intent of the killer, the dangerousness of the killer’s conduct, and the circumstances of the act.
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Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Anything you don’t like is trollish.

Grammer nazing and tounge in cheek comments over semantics is trolling. Your stated concern with the initial post you responded to, that I said "full body weight", is intellectualy disingenuous. You have a broader message that you just decided not to say directly.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120533 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Homicide is a general term and may refer to a noncriminal act as well as the criminal act of murder.


Uh huh.
So what did they charge him with?
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
4234 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:48 pm to
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Then you would think they would have sat him down Without a knee in his neck and called for ems as soon as they knew he couldn’t breath. No excuse for what happened. Just like no excuse for what is going on with these riots either.


Pahahahaha they did. They tried to get him sitting into a air conditioned police car. He resisted jut good try.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150293 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

You have a broader message that you just decided not to say directly.


Nope. But feel free to make shite up. I thought you people were above that and into the truth though.

Your exaggeration is at least better than the lie that the cop had his hands in his pockets. A completely unnecessary lie.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80409 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:54 pm to
Basically, many times when a cop arrests somebody they’ll start throwing out bullshite excuses of medical issues, accusing the cop of all kinds of things. Cops hear that shite all the time and the usual rule of thumb is if a guy can bitch, then he can breathe.

Obviously in this particular situation the cop should have taken his damn knee off the man’s neck bc this man was not bluffing. But only a fool thinks this cop just decided he wanted to murder Floyd that day.

It is possibly to say the cop fricked up by keeping his knee on the neck while also saying the cop never intended to murder the dude.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6877 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

ME report says cardiac arrest, not asphyxiation.


If it is cardiac arrest I am sure the knee on the carotid artery did loads to help. That isn't going to help Chauvin's case at all.
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:09 pm to
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Nope. But feel free to make shite up. I thought you people were above that and into the truth though.

More tounge in cheek deflections. What's your actual problem here?
quote:

Your exaggeration is at least better than the lie that the cop had his hands in his pockets

.............where are his hands then? Wtf is this.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6491 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:12 pm to
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The crux will be if the cops broke policy at any point.


I cannot imagine kneeling on a dudes head with your hands in your pockets is part of policy.
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