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re: Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:28 pm to Yaz 8
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:28 pm to Yaz 8
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The North winning was the beginning of the end for the country as founded. The states started losing power and we have never fully recovered. It has taken time but we are about done now.
I would start with the south seceding as the beginning of the erosion of states rights, considering the state right they were seeking to preserve was slavery.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:29 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Traitors deserve a traitor’s death. The confederates were redneck losers, nothing you should be proud of colonel reb.
I guess you don't care that most of the southern soldiers were from poor farming families that owned no slaves and were drafted in and forced to fight.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:33 pm to cwill
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I would start with the south seceding as the beginning of the erosion of states rights, considering the state right they were seeking to preserve was slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was a racist piece of warmongering shite
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:49 pm to burger bearcat
The civil war was never about states rights. that is what the KKK and democrats used during reconstruction to reframe the civil war as to make it seem to be an unjust war.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:55 pm to burger bearcat
Yes. Wasn't unconstitutional for states to secede. It was only ruled unconstitutional after the north won.
Lincoln overstepped. He invaded multiple sovereign states.
I like Lincoln, but he was a legit dictator. He ruled with an iron fist and targeted anyone he viewed as a political enemy.
Lincoln overstepped. He invaded multiple sovereign states.
I like Lincoln, but he was a legit dictator. He ruled with an iron fist and targeted anyone he viewed as a political enemy.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:00 pm to Plx1776
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He invaded multiple sovereign states.
States that were a part of a sovereign union.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:00 pm to burger bearcat
If the GOP was really honest with themselves, they would come to understand that Abe Lincoln is the father of the monstrous blob we know today as the American Federal government and stop canonizing him as a Saint every single day.
Abe Lincoln sent well over half a million human beings to die a violent bloody death to keep a ragtag band of states together and we're still feeling the effects of that monstrous and tyrannical decision today, 150+ years later.
He got what he deserved at the play.
Democrats have effectively ignored if not outright disowned their first POTUS, Andrew Jackson. The GOP should do the same with theirs.
Abe Lincoln sent well over half a million human beings to die a violent bloody death to keep a ragtag band of states together and we're still feeling the effects of that monstrous and tyrannical decision today, 150+ years later.
He got what he deserved at the play.
Democrats have effectively ignored if not outright disowned their first POTUS, Andrew Jackson. The GOP should do the same with theirs.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:06 pm to Sentrius
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Was there a better way to address slavery than the bloodbath and federal takeover that was the Civil War?
The South fired the first shot.
I have to say there are some unique takes here that one will never hear up nort.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:08 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Where does this “right” to secede come from in your mind?
Natural Law. The Declaration of Independence talks about it.
Sure, it's not a governing document, but it's supposed to be the principles we were founded on.
New England had a secession movement in the early 1800's. Next to nobody questioned the constitutionality of it.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:08 pm to Mickey Goldmill
A thousand people have written a thousanfold books about this very question. There seems, at yet, to be a definitive answer. One can make a list of things, in hindsight, that would make things different. History as it unfolds in its present is at the mercy of folks who have to make decisions. The ones we remember are those who make those decisions, good or bad. History is a lonely place for the timid.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:14 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Where does this “right” to secede come from in your mind?
Not prohibited by Constitution; therefore, valid under 9th and 10th Amendment.
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The Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession by a state from the union was illegal.
Packed with Lincoln appointees. The weren't about to say a war that killed over 600k Americans and one President was illegal.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:25 pm to udtiger
That packed court said it was unconstitutional though…
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:30 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That packed court said it was unconstitutional though
The Supreme Court said blacks weren't citizens and slavery could not be barred from territories in Dred Scott
Separate but equal was blessed by the Supreme Court in the 1890s in Plessy
They get shite wrong.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:35 pm to udtiger
Of course they do, but has that case been overturned?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:37 pm to burger bearcat
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did or did not Abe overstep his boundaries by encroaching on other states rights who wanted to secede?
Yes he did. That is all.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:56 pm to burger bearcat
I'd like to hear some more opinions on how vulnerable the South was to outside takeover but either way it seems slavery would have fizzled out on its own. Make no mistake,slavery was only one of the causes of the war, or the great question as it was called, but it was THE highlighted reason in every single speech of succession. Lincoln used this to his advantage.
I guess Lincoln earns credit for having resolve, for effectively positioning his arguments, and simply imposing his will. But, the truth is that he was an insecure tyrant prone to melancholy and pettiness and overreach--much of which was unhealthy for our nation. Both in the short term and long term.
An interesting counter to the Lincoln deification that still exists is The Real Lincoln.
I guess Lincoln earns credit for having resolve, for effectively positioning his arguments, and simply imposing his will. But, the truth is that he was an insecure tyrant prone to melancholy and pettiness and overreach--much of which was unhealthy for our nation. Both in the short term and long term.
An interesting counter to the Lincoln deification that still exists is The Real Lincoln.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:50 am to Nguyener
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Slavery was going to end anyway. There is not an honest and intelligent student of history anywhere that will tell you the Civil War had anything at all to do with slavery.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:50 am to Nguyener
quote:He was a politician. Read a few books by Frederick Douglass and see what he thought about Lincoln.
That’s an actual quote from Abraham Lincoln’s mouth on September 18, 1858. Does that sound like some sort of benevolent champion of racial equality to you?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 4:59 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I asked where the “right” comes from.
The Creator, like all our other unalienable rights. People have the right to self-determination. There is no such thing as an indestructible union. If you believe that states can't secede, then you have to believe that the US had no right to separate from England.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 5:05 am to cwill
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The war was about the preservation of slavery. Full stop.
It was about the economy. Full stop. It would be similar to Saudi Arabia going to war to prevent an outside group of people from ending their ability to sell oil. The North, after stealing the wealth of the South through taxes/tariffs and government spending for northern states, decided to not let the damnyankees completely destroy the Southern economy. Saying it was about the ability to own slaves without examining the fiscal ramifications is low-level analysis.
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