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re: Abolishing the Senate

Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:30 am to
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Abolishing the Senate





Of all the things that will never happen.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24801 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 11:42 am to
Grok:


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Yes, in theory, but only through a constitutional amendment—and it is extraordinarily difficult due to a specific protection in the Constitution.The U.S. Senate is created by the Constitution itself (Article I, Section 3), which establishes a bicameral Congress with the Senate providing equal representation of two senators from each state. It cannot be abolished (or fundamentally restructured to eliminate equal state representation) by ordinary legislation, executive order, or simple majority vote in Congress.The Amendment Process (Article V)Amendments can be proposed by:A two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, or
A constitutional convention called by two-thirds of the state legislatures.

They must then be ratified by three-fourths of the states (either by state legislatures or state conventions).The Critical Limitation: Equal Suffrage ProtectionArticle V contains a unique, permanent restriction:“… and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”

constitution.congress.gov

This “entrenchment clause” means that any amendment stripping a state of its equal vote in the Senate (two senators, each with one vote) requires that state’s explicit consent. Abolishing the Senate entirely would deprive every state of its equal suffrage. As a result, it would effectively require the consent of all 50 states. Changing the number of senators per state (while keeping them equal) or altering other aspects of Senate powers is more feasible under the standard three-fourths ratification rule, but complete abolition runs directly into this barrier.


Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
60108 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:30 pm to
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What is the basis for this?


Their pushing of the philosophy that a direct vote is the only "true" democracy for "the People". That's only smoke and mirrors as what they will do is set themselves up as "the People's party" just as has happened in every communist government system which has existed since Lenin's time.

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And how do they plan to do this? Some magical decree?


They don't think that far. They toss out ridiculous ideas, shout and scream about how they are needed because people will die if it doesn't happen, and then leave others to figure out how to pound that square peg of what they want into the round hole of reality.
Posted by Hale Lipari
Member since Jul 2025
204 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 12:40 pm to
They do not want democratic republic - that want a national direct democracy - just plain stupid and it will never happen
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
4551 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 1:41 pm to
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Without it they can rule by mob


The senate is already elected by popular vote. It’s one of the biggest problems we have when they are supposed to be elected by the state as a means to govern the state a voice and prevent federal power among other things.
The federal government was never supposed to be more powerful than the states
Posted by ulmtiger
Member since Jan 2008
2533 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 2:11 pm to
Those that propose this are part Communist and part Nazi. All they need to do is elect a dictator like themselves that will undo the Constitution and establish laws to their liking.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17708 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 2:40 pm to
They want to do this because they want more power to the big states with the largest cities like New York, California and Illinois. They don't like the two votes for each state concept. This was a major part of the debate at the original constitutional convention that resulted in the compromise that created the bicameral legisture we have now.

Fortunately the only way for this to change is with a constitutional amendment which will never happen.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
9358 posts
Posted on 8/4/26 at 3:02 pm to
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Repeal the 17th.
was coming to post this
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