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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:56 pm to Parmen
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:56 pm to Parmen
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I’m just wondering, if you’re at a company that is supposedly not paying you a fair wage, why not go somewhere else? I want to see the clause in the employment contract that is forcing them to be an employee there. They obviously are making them stay there to work for “lower wages.” And then show me the clause in the Constitution that says you have a write to this job with the salary you deem to be fair.
Pretty sick of this argument. I'm sure you'd like jumping job to job until you found a fair place to work.
I'm not even arguing if the pay gap actually exists.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:27 pm to 9th life
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As a married, heterosexual male (shocking to some of you, i know)
Your wife must wear the pants.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:28 pm to Zach
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STEM fields pay a lot. Very few women are in STEM.
Not only that, but even when women are in traditionally male fields, they usually leave them at higher rates than men or take less intensive roles.
Like the difference between being an accountant and a financial secretary. Or the difference between being field scientist and a math teacher.
Both sexes do those jobs, but men generally take higher risk (ie higher paid) roles than women.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:31 pm to 9th life
quote:Well, shouldn't we care about changing policy based on false assertions?
Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally?
quote:You're not terribly good at economics, are ya.
As a married, heterosexual male (shocking to some of you, i know) more money for women means more money in our bank account. it doesnt hurt me in the least.
I mean, are you under the impression that if company's are forced to artificially increase women's salaries to make up for a non-existent deficiency that this somehow will not affect anyone else's salaries?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:45 pm to ShortyRob
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You're not terribly good at economics, are ya.
I mean, are you under the impression that if company's are forced to artificially increase women's salaries to make up for a non-existent deficiency that this somehow will not affect anyone else's salaries?
A company would most likely DECREASE the salaries of men if they had to close a mythical pay gap. This actually makes sense given current trends. Whenever women dominate a job field, the pay usually declines over time.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:55 pm to volod
My wife is an RN, and there are men with exact same skills, title, etc. that make more than her in her department.
I presume the hospital is willing to pay a little extra to hire someone who is guaranteed to not walk in and request 12 weeks maternity leave with zero warning
I presume the hospital is willing to pay a little extra to hire someone who is guaranteed to not walk in and request 12 weeks maternity leave with zero warning
Posted on 9/11/19 at 2:57 pm to prplngldtigr
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:04 pm to jmcwhrter
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I presume the hospital is willing to pay a little extra to hire someone who is guaranteed to not walk in and request 12 weeks maternity leave with zero warning
I would be shocked if hospitals are considering maternity leave in its salary calculations between men and women. The men may have been more aggressive in negotiating.
It’s hard to control for all variable when considering pay, especially in a field like nursing in which total compensation isn’t tied as closely to the rate at which they’re paid as other jobs. On call, shift differentials, shifts and hours worked all play big parts in overall compensation. So a nurse who’s willing to bust arse at $22/hr base rate could make $60k+ easily for the year.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:13 pm to volod
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Not only that, but even when women are in traditionally male fields, they usually leave them at higher rates than men
This is particularly true among doctors. How many 60 year old female doctors do you know? I know tons of old men doctors. They explained the scenario:
a. The woman avoids marriage and children to get through medical school.
b. She starts practicing at age 26.
c. She is constantly around male doctors who make tons of money. She marries one.
d. She is 30 and the clock is ticking. She leaves the practice to have kids and stay home.
Her years of medical training are essentially wasted in terms of service in the field.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:14 pm to jmcwhrter
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My wife is an RN, and there are men with exact same skills, title, etc. that make more than her in her department.
This is false. If she thinks this is true then I'm not surprised she's being paid less.
Also, negotiation is a skill.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:19 pm to Zach
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er years of medical training are essentially wasted in terms of service in the field.
A $250k fee to marry an orthopedic surgeon seems reasonable. I wish my year 3 daughter all the luck in the world.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:24 pm to the808bass
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A $250k fee to marry an orthopedic surgeon seems reasonable. I wish my year 3 daughter all the luck in the world.
That's not the point that the male doctors made to me.
It's a good deal for the woman. But the man she replaced in acceptance to med school would have practiced 30 more years. Their position was reverse-aff action. IE, if you're a woman applying to med school you have to score higher than a male.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:32 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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xxTIMMYxx
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It's not false at all.
Did you ever provide any feedback or rebuttals to the people who responded to your comment? Hope you got the sex you were looking for by virtue signaling for the ladies.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:36 pm to Parmen
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A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
I bet at least 90+% of the respondents in this thread are men- why even bother asking the question here?
Most of the females that post here- that I've noticed- aren't the type to whimper and whine.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:42 pm to Zach
She scored higher than more than a few men, I’m sure. I was largely joking.
The medical community is aware of the issue. They could easily open more spots knowing how many women are going to leave or go part-time in a relatively short period of time post-graduation.
The medical community is aware of the issue. They could easily open more spots knowing how many women are going to leave or go part-time in a relatively short period of time post-graduation.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:54 pm to Parmen
if companies could save 22% off labor costs by hiring exclusively women to do the same job at the same education and experience levels, they would only hire women. They don't only hire women, ergo the wage gap is bullshite
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:57 pm to BlackAdam
BlackAdam I've never heard it put like that before. It's perfect.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 5:31 pm to 9th life
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Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally?
Because unlike progressives some people have standards. Like the "is it true?" standard.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 12:53 pm to the808bass
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Because they’re not advocating for more money. They’re advocating for government intervention to insure “equal outcomes.”
Appreciate the reply, and all the others for the most part, but you are reframing the OPs point for him to an argument he wasnt, or didnt appear to be, making.
Is it fair to say that you are not opposed to women being paid equally, but are opposed to the idea of the government regulating salaries?
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