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deltaland
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Milton Friedman gave the best answer ever to the supposed wage gap. YouTube it


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the808bass
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Iss a conspurasee.


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ShortyRob
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.



The wage gap is a complete myth


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cwill
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
I'm surprised so many women responded to your post.


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troyt37
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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No because the quality of one’s work is largely subjective.


I'm trying to wrap my head around that, but no luck. The quality of whose work? Subjective to whom?


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tomcatrav
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
What I don’t hear discussed often is that women are more likely to be motivated by different factors when choosing jobs and may choose jobs that pay less for those reasons.

My sister is a lawyer. A damn good one. she has 3 kids, and one of em is still at home and does a lot of extra-curricular stuff. She took some time off of work and when she decided to go back, she chose a job that gave her the flexibility she needs to be a mom.

I would be willing to bet most men looking for jobs in her profession would sacrifice flexibility and quality of life for more money, and most women would sacrifice money for improved flexibility/quality of life .

IMO, these are things that no study can likely adequately control for, and this disparate motivation is the real cause of the “gender gap”.


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9th life
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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Parmen


Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally? Are you bothered by this because you feel as though it is implied that you are compensated unfairly?

Genuinely curious as to why you, or anyone that shares this feeling, cares. As a married, heterosexual male (shocking to some of you, i know) more money for women means more money in our bank account. it doesnt hurt me in the least.
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BigJim
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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It's not false at all.


No but once you take experience, education, field of work, actual position and time employed (this is a little controversial) the gap left that cannot be attributed to the above factors drops to almost, but not completely, nothing.

So yes it exists, but it isn't that women make 80% of what men make, but somewhere between 90-95% of what men make.

And that cannot directly attributed to sexism, more just like we can't prove it's anything else.



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ImaObserver
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Assuming that both are of equal competency for the job, most employers would prefer a "submissive" woman over an "aggressive" male employee, but then there is the "bitch" factor that tends to flip the equation.


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troyt37
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally? Are you bothered by this because you feel as though it is implied that you are compensated unfairly? Genuinely curious as to why you, or anyone that shares this feeling, cares. As a married, heterosexual male (shocking to some of you, i know) more money for women means more money in our bank account. it doesnt hurt me in the least.


So, if feminists and the left are able to create the (admittedly false) perception that women are only paid 75% of what 9th life is paid to do 9th life's job, you'd be perfectly fine with your employer being required to pay a woman 25% more than you, to do your job, right?

I mean, we're done with facts, we're just talking about perception. So if the perception exists, your employer should take all of your raises for the next 10 years, and give them to women doing your job, because the perception is that they are paid less, for doing the same work. Tell me your employer, and I'll write a letter to them for you.


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TigerSprings
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Because you pay them for their gap?


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OceanMan
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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If they don't take into account acceptance of the first offer then the conclusions are crap. Are men more prone to say no to the first offer? If this hasn't been studied then any research is garbage.


I was actually going to post this. I found some studies while researching job offer negotiations that show woman are way less likely to negotiate.

The purpose of the article was not to support lower women wages, but to encourage woman to negotiate.

Very valid reason why there could be a gap and nobody to blame it on but those involved in negotiations



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BigJim
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally? Are you bothered by this because you feel as though it is implied that you are compensated unfairly?

Genuinely curious as to why you, or anyone that shares this feeling, cares. As a married, heterosexual male (shocking to some of you, i know) more money for women means more money in our bank account. it doesnt hurt me in the least.


You know how I know you have never dealt with EEOC issues?

Because they aren't just asking for more money. They are asking for changes to law to bring about the more money. And call me crazy but laws made on feelings and misconceptions are at best a waste of time and at worst a terrible law that is counterproductive and harmful to businesses.



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Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
Women do tend to start at lower salaries for jobs, women are much less likely to negotiate a salary offer.


BigJim
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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Women do tend to start at lower salaries for jobs, women are much less likely to negotiate a salary offer.


This is an issue. But rather than protest and demand changes to law and government oversight panel commissions, how about focusing on this.

Colleges (and parents, nonprofits and the women themselves) should focus on teaching how to do a better job at negotiating.

Hell, I need that skill myself.


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the808bass
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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Why do you care if women advocate for more money based on the perception that they are not compensated equally?


Because they’re not advocating for more money. They’re advocating for government intervention to insure “equal outcomes.”


Zach
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
STEM fields pay a lot. Very few women are in STEM. Larry Summers of Harvard suggested that maybe women aren't interested in that field of study. He got fired. He could have said maybe women are too stupid for that field of study.

In colleges today all profs have to go through bias training so they can realize that the reason they give bad grades to girls, blacks, Hispanics and LGBTQ is because they have biases that they are not even aware of. The concept that some people just aren't very bright must never be considered.


oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
You know, I would love to see a grand experiment that I'm SURE some wealthy Leftist donors would line up to fund:

From conception to final coat of paint, I want to see a 20 story building built COMPLETELY by a female crew with ZERO input or help from men.

How do yo all think that would fare?

Nothing but female designers, architects, Engineers, welders, etc.

Over/Under on time of completion and budget?


Zach
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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How do yo all think that would fare?


The women would have a counter offer: 'How about we get to pick out the color of the paint. And the draperies.'


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volod
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Member since Jun 2014
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re: A question I have for women who complain they aren’t paid the same as men.
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So, if feminists and the left are able to create the (admittedly false) perception that women are only paid 75% of what 9th life is paid to do 9th life's job, you'd be perfectly fine with your employer being required to pay a woman 25% more than you, to do your job, right?

I mean, we're done with facts, we're just talking about perception. So if the perception exists, your employer should take all of your raises for the next 10 years, and give them to women doing your job, because the perception is that they are paid less, for doing the same work. Tell me your employer, and I'll write a letter to them for you.


Thank you troyt37.

This board has the same problem politicians like Ben Shapiro have. They expect an even playing field.

It's not. Leftists don't care about truth only PERCEPTION of it.

If they can convince enough players that women are underpaid, the businesses and government will break down and give into their demands.


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