re: A prophecy

Catholics always thing Catholicism is the answer. Protestants thing Jesus is the answer.

Agree and I thought it was the USA until recently.

I'll bite...

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mainline Protestant churches wither as they preach a false Gospel that is incompatible with a traditional discernment of Christianity.

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for instance?

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There is absolutely nothing about heretical worship of Mary and praying to mortals that will draw people en masse to Jesus.

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Interesting. I'm a cradle Catholic and I've never done either, or seen anyone do either.

Go back to your snake handling and wearing long denim skirts (see, I can make stupid, inaccurate depictions of protestants)

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Atheists don’t believe

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You sure like to talk about things you don’t believe in. Let’s talk about what you do believe in.

1- Everything came from nothing. All by itself, the universe (that didn’t exist) somehow decided (while not existing) to create itself. Nothing, doing nothing, to nothing- created everything.

2- Oort Cloud. We can’t see it- but it must be there because we need it to explain things we don’t understand about the universe.

3- Life arose from non-life. The ridiculous complexity of the simplest form of life just accidentally formed, from non-living materials, and started “evolving” into human beings. Like a tornado in a junkyard producing fully functioning automobiles.

4- Life itself is nothing more than a cosmic accident- an undirected series of chemical and physical reactions

5- There is no such thing as objective truth. What’s true for you, is not necessarily true for me. Is that true?

6- There’s no such thing as objective morality. The holocaust was wrong- but only because we agree it was wrong. There is no external, objective standard by which to judge behavior.

7- Love, and hate, are merely chemical reactions in our brains. They don’t have any intrinsic value. They don’t reflect a standard.

8- The appearance of design in all life is merely an illusion-

9- The appearance of design in the universe is merely an illusion. The fine tuning of the universe is merely an astronomicallly impossible coincidence.

10- There is nothing special about humanity. We’re not created in the image of God- we’re no different than the animals.

Bonus: You must believe that you have attained and now possess sufficient knowledge to make a decision that has eternal implications. You must really trust yourself. Regardless of socioeconomic factors, pride is the common denominator of all atheists.


I think (sadly)you’ll be fine with most of those. Or not (sorry if I misrepresented your beliefs). That’s not the point. The point is that you can’t prove your beliefs anymore than I can prove mine. Your position, like mine and literally every one who has or will exist, is one of faith- regarding the existence of God. To even try to disprove the existence of the supernatural, using only the natural- is a fool’s errand to begin with. It’s like checking voltage with a wooden spoon.

In addition to that, the common atheist must continuously steal from the Christian worldview in order to make sense of the world around them. Yet, like a person arguing that air doesn’t exist- while relying on air to make his/her case, the atheist must appeal to an implied common understanding of some fixed position as being true, while simultaneously denying the existence of an objective, external, eternal, perfect being- from which a standard could be derived.

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And who created God? If everything that exists has a cause, and God exists, what caused him to exist?

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We’ve been over this.
1- Everything that begins to exist, must have a cause.
2- The universe began to exist.
3- The universe must have a cause.

That’s it. God is eternal, so God does not require a causal explanation. It’s important to note that this argument is not an argument for any particular God. Just the existence of a God. There is no logical weakness to the argument- it all boils down to whether or not the universe began to exist. If it did, then, logically, there must be a cause. And, logically, that cause must be immensely powerful.

Humor me. If the universe could be proven to have a beginning- what could be the cause?

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Atheists believe in science

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That’s my point. I put my faith in God- you put your faith in man. I’m not saying that either one of us is demonstrably right or wrong- to the contrary. I’m saying that we’re both acting on faith.