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re: A Message to those who love the “Fishing Boats”

Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:54 am to
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67413 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:54 am to
Nobody is more anti-hard drugs than I am. I also oppose blowing up people on the open seas without evidence that they actuallly pose a threat to the country. Without actual evidence, I don’t necessarily believe a fricking thing Trump or Hegseth says…
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47974 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:00 am to
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Your master class in dishonesty

if there is a master class in dishonesty you are the founder and primary instructor - certainly the most prolific practitioner on TD.

You devote whatever IQ and training you have to supporting the most vile political organization ever to gain a grip in America.

An attorney assigned to defend an obviously guilty murderer has a place = to ensure the guilty man gets a fair trial.

You consider it your duty to get the guilty Party acquitted by slick talk and the hope that someone on the side of truth makes a mistake.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:00 am to
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Yes, in Afghanistan. It failed too.


The amount of attacks and focus on the opium trade in Afghanistan by the US military was minimal. There were some attacks here and there but normally there because the traffickers were also tied to terrorist groups.

Afghan opium has never really made its way to the US anyways. We get our drugs from Latin America.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:02 am to
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Without actual evidence, I don’t necessarily believe a fricking thing Trump or Hegseth says…


Do you need to see evidence justifying every military operation we conduct or just the ones from Trump and Hegseth?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295724 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:07 am to
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The amount of attacks and focus on the opium trade in Afghanistan by the US military was minimal.


Youre making that up.

It wasnt minimal. We obliterated fields; they simply popped up elsewhere.

The taliban when they return instituted a ban which was more effective (because they kill people for possession)

Then it exploded yet again.

There is an answer, you folks refuse to admit it.

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And I think - I have talked to many people who are long experienced in the war on drugs who believe that Trump's actions in the Caribbean and towards Venezuela ultimately are not going to lead to a major reduction in drug supply. And I think the common denominator here is that neither of these programs is addressing the demand by the U.S. populace for drugs.


LINK

The talibans strict bans worked better than US airstrikes.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10294 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:10 am to
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Look at how the video starts "to whoever is letting the fentanyl in". There are even bigger factors than that causing the tragedies you are referencing.

Supply-focused WOD policies have failed, and often create negative externalities. The fentanyl crisis of the 2020s is one of those.


This is how we know you are insincere. If you were sincere, you would understand that the most effective solution is countering both supply and demand. All you Trump-haters want to focus solely on the demand. You act as if killing the supply has zero impact, and that is dumb.

It's not hard to see through your bias. Anyone with a brain knows you attack a problem on all fronts. You don't ignore the supply side just because Trump is working on it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295724 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:11 am to
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This is how we know you are insincere. If you were sincere, you would understand that the most effective solution is countering both supply and demand.


These strikes and the focus on cocaine does nothing to damage the real drug problem.

Its virtue signaling.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465781 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:16 am to
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It was already happening pre-Trump. Saw addicts shift to heroin from oxy. The economics of it just force their hands, they can only do $80 oxys for so long


Again, this is a function of the supply-focused policy I discussed earlier.

I specifically said at best it just raises prices and creates negative externalities in the form of substitute drugs.

If the supply of oxy wasn't restricted, they never get to $80.

It's better than fentanyl
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465781 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:17 am to
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The absolute worst crawfish I've ever witnessed in print.

You don't understand what "crawfish" means, I take it.

Having a societal addiction problem with oxy is much better than having a societal addiction problem with fentanyl.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:17 am to
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Youre making that up.


No. I’m not

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It wasnt minimal. We obliterated fields; they simply popped up elsewhere.


So?

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The taliban when they return instituted a ban which was more effective (because they kill people for possession) Then it exploded yet again. There is an answer, you folks refuse to admit it.


So you support the death penalty for possession in the United States?

frick yeah man I’m in.

But let’s also kill the traffickers.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465781 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:18 am to
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Everyone has known about opioids being addictive for like 20 years now. It’s not 2007 anymore.


When I was a freshman at LSU, in 2001, there were hearings about the issues with opioids and addiction. It's even older than that.

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This is an American people problem

The demand aspect. If you don't solve this, they will substitute the drugs until the world ends.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295724 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:18 am to
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So you support the death penalty for possession in the United States?


No,

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465781 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:20 am to
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This is how we know you are insincere. If you were sincere, you would understand that the most effective solution is countering both supply and demand. All you Trump-haters


How is holding the same position I held before Trump was in politics engaging in "Trump-hating"?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295724 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:21 am to
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The demand aspect. If you don't solve this, they will substitute the drugs until the world ends.
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Yep. it never ends without dealing with the demand side.

Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
34866 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:22 am to
It's amazing. Our resident Retards know more than the state department, CIA, military, and the President's cabinet combined.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:22 am to
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No


Why not? It’s a proven way to solve the demand problem.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37687 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:24 am to
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Roger, SFP, Bunk, Taxing Authority, Frogtard all care more about Maduro then those kids


So dumb. Your master class in dishonesty
Don't you know by now how the game is played around here? If you don't want Les Miles fired, it means you hate LSU.

Try to keep up with the genius that is TD.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39874 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:24 am to
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If the supply of oxy wasn't restricted, they never get to $80. It's better than fentanyl


If oxy never came around, the demand for heroin and fent wouldn’t have ballooned

It’s not a workable solution to go back to.

Heroin deaths were flat before the 2000s, it’s not a particularly popular recreational drug outside of full blown junkies and famous musicians

This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:26 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295724 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:24 am to
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Why not? It’s a proven way to solve the demand problem.


Instead of relying on other people inform you, do your own research.

Thanks.

In between death and free markets are a lot of territory and I have explained my position too many times already.

Trumps feeble attacks on cocaine traveling to non US markets has nothing to do with me, or you.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58925 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:26 am to
I’m not some sort of teetotaling prude

I drink occasionally, like weed, and do mushrooms once or twice a year

But I really have a hard time feeling bad for someone who dies after snorting a pill or powder in the year of our lord 2025. Everyone knows the deal by now
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