re: A jury decided they were not guilty. A judge sentenced them to life in prison anyway

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do you capitalize White people?

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Normally.

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I wonder how many generations were enslaved

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Slavery has been abolished for 160 years. It's time to stop using that as an excuse, because it is a bad one.

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I was thinking more like rappers and pro-athletes when I said that but we can include them too.

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You are so racist that you assume that the only way for a majority of black people to be millionaires is by either playing sports or rapping. Holy shite, you are racist.

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What was the financial or life situation of your Great-great-grandparents? Of your Greatgrandparents? Do you know?

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All four of my grandparents died with many assets and wealth. My maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather were children of immigrants.

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On the other hand in terms of ancestry, at this stage with all our warts, how does the success, financial situation, etc of Black Americans compare with their Black African lineages?

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Are you comparing them to their black ancestors who lived in America but were not enslaved? Or do you mean their ancestors who weren't slaves and never stepped foot in America? How are those two groups comparable? How can that shed any light on this discussion about the hundreds of years of discrimination and abuse that the American slaves and their descendants experienced?

Sorta like any Democrat getting acquitted by shithead liberals and thug peers. I am OK with the judge using the Watts ruling.

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That was the critical time for capital investment in black Americans. It didn't happen. Instead we were slapped with monumental inflation robbing all workers of value.

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I'm not talking about History, I'm talking about Economics. You need capital to start a business, blacks had way less access to capital per capita than whites.

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You're talking about the recent history of economics.

And again, my question is SO WHAT?

SO WHAT?

Everybody knows that blacks haven't had the same access to opportunity as whites until relatively recently. So NOW what? What do we do about it? How do we solve the problem?

That's not "dismissing" anything. It's recognizing that it's the only question that matters. It's the only thing worth talking about because it's the only topic that can produce any movement. This...

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And now you allude to subjects I haven't touched on with the above unsubstantiated comment.

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Is completely untrue. What I said is substantiated every time you type a word. I keep taking about how to solve the problem and every time I do you keep whining about stuff that happened 60 or 100 or 200 years ago.

I've already detailed a plan that involves plenty of capital investment in black communities. To repair the infrastructure, to educate the members of the community, etc. And when those communities become safe, businesses will locate there instead of avoiding the areas. And when they do, they will need local residents to work in those businesses.

If part of that plan needs to include incentivized loans to start businesses for black entrepreneurs, I have no problem with that and nothing I have written would lead an honest, reasonable person to conclude otherwise. I suspect you're simply too busy whining to read everything I have written.

So we have a plan for education, jobs, communities, and black owned businesses, complete with capital. Tell me why the fact that we had Jim Crow 60 years ago defeats that plan.

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And until white people are willing to admit that blacks are already a part of mainstream culture, we will struggle with racial bias.

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Nope. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand claim that black people exhibit the characteristics of a permanent underclass due to the history of ECONOMICS and also claim that they conform to mainstream culture. They don't, and you know it, and the assertion is self-refuting.

If they are part of mainstream culture already, they don't need any special help and the FACT that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime—particularly violent crime—abort their children almost as often as they give birth to them (and in some locales, more often), have a disproportionate degree of functional illiteracy, out of wedlock children, etc., etc., etc. are just choices that—coincidentally—are made overwhelmingly by black people.

So which is it?

What I wrote above? This is you doing it again. Facilitating the refusal to assimilate.

Black people can't be special and unique and exceptional and also just like everybody else. It's not logically possible. Insisting that the behaviors and outcomes that are disproportionately true of the black community are part of mainstream American culture is not only logically absurd, but toxic.

Mainstream America is supposed to assimilate to black culture instead of the other way around. You're right, that's not happening. Nor should it. Black culture is the culture of a historically oppressed population. Consequently, it's not a healthy culture. We'd be idiots to assimilate to that instead of trying to get that population to assimilate to mainstream culture.

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Why not? How long did it take women to start voting once they got the vote?

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Do you think blacks were only prohibited from voting after slavery ended?

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Land of the Free

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You and the OP both support weaponizing law enforcement against your political enemies.

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Do you think blacks were only prohibited from voting after slavery ended?

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No, nor did I ever say that, nor is it relevant.

The point is that you are claiming that it is not reasonable to expect blacks to assimilate into mainstream culture after 3 generations of being able to because they were prevented from doing so prior to that time. I provided an example of another group that was denied equal rights (and btw, suffrage wasn't the only right women lacked just like it wasn't the only right that blacks lacked. If I am not mistaken, women were not allowed to open a bank account or take out a loan without a husband or father's permission and co-signing until sometime in the 60s) and once they were granted those rights, made full use of them immediately.

But let's keep it within the topic of black people themselves. If you look at the rates of single parenthood, crime, and children born out of wedlock, black people were more assimilated into mainstream culture in 1940 than they are now. They were named Robert and Martha instead of Marshawnavious and Barackeisha.

And that was when the black poverty rate was 70% instead of the 17% it is now. That was when only 1% of black people in America had a 4 year college degree instead of the 26% who have one now.

That was before the Civil Rights Act and right in the middle of Jim Crow and the 2nd wave of the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party, the KKK.

So if it's unreasonable to expect assimilation now, why were they more assimilated then? When institutional racism was still official and strong and poverty rates were lots higher?

The fact is that—like so many other things y'all claim—the unwillingness to assimilate is not being caused by institutional pressure or restrictions. It's being caused by culture. Unless you're going to try to tell me that blacks were encumbered LESS by racism in 1940 than they are now.

The fact is that you white liberals and black race hustlers have fanned the flames of this narrative to the point that black people do not assimilate because they simply don't want to. Because, "frick you , Whitey, that's why."

They feel like they are entitled to embrace a culture that eschews education, teaches children to misbehave, commit crimes, live off government largesse and game the system to do so, wear ridiculous clothing and name their children ridiculous names so that no one takes them seriously—they feel entitled to do all of that, THEN cry racism when Asians or Jews or whites are more successful.

Because the constant yammering about institutional barriers—most of which do not exist anymore—teaches them that they are entitled to be as lazy, unkempt, disinterested in achievement, etc., as they want to be and none of it is their fault.

I would opine that no more than 15% of the barriers preventing black people from succeeding in 2023 are institutional rather than cultural, and I think that's being generous.

But that's great news. Because that means that 85%+ of the problem is within the power of the black community to solve. If they will. If y'all will stop telling them they don't need to because all of their problems are institutional.