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Posted on 4/5/14 at 10:46 am to Draconian Sanctions
Some folk can PAY for the consequences of their indulgence, DS...but make no mistake...the high premiums that Insurance Co's. charge is related to hospitals inflating their costs on people who have insurance...in order to pay for people who DON'T PAY nothing for their (emergency room) care.
The bottom line is that there is NO WAY to pay for the exponential health care requirements for an indulgent and undisciplined populous...who CAN'T OR WON'T PAY for their own indulgence. It is weak people, who have the freedom to live irresponsibly that is causing the economic problem here. The Prog idea is to force the strong/responsible folk to pay for the (many times) irresponsible/immoral freedoms of choice of the weak.
This thing crashes and the weak die off anyway; unless the leadership stands up and tells the truth. Mother Nature and the survival and prosperity of the FIT will always be the failsafe. Ugly...but efficient.
The bottom line is that there is NO WAY to pay for the exponential health care requirements for an indulgent and undisciplined populous...who CAN'T OR WON'T PAY for their own indulgence. It is weak people, who have the freedom to live irresponsibly that is causing the economic problem here. The Prog idea is to force the strong/responsible folk to pay for the (many times) irresponsible/immoral freedoms of choice of the weak.
This thing crashes and the weak die off anyway; unless the leadership stands up and tells the truth. Mother Nature and the survival and prosperity of the FIT will always be the failsafe. Ugly...but efficient.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:20 am to JazzyJeff
Ohh so the decline of America is conservatives fault? Your an idiot. My guess is that the author of this article is an angry homosexual . Please do as the Author of this post did and leave America. One less idiot is a plus.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:21 am to JazzyJeff
Thread title is 100% true. Didn't know the OP's mom's name was America though.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:24 am to RCDfan1950
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the high premiums that Insurance Co's. charge is related to hospitals inflating their costs on people who have insurance...in order to pay for people who DON'T PAY nothing for their (emergency room) care.
No, the hospitals charge crazy amounts because when you need surgery or get in an accident, you must buy the product right then and there. You're in no position to act as a consumer the way you would when buying a car , and the process is intentionally confusing to prevent you from even attempting it.
Conservatives want to treat the health care industry like any other market but this hurts consumers because they are at a disadvantage as compared to other sectors. The result is a hip replacement that costs 10 times here what it does in countries with collective negotiations for consumers.
Malpractice and costs for uninsured are factors but much smaller ones and ultimately red herrings used by the corporate health care cartel to justify their price gouging.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Indeed.quote:high deductible plans are the answer, as well as disability and other financial insurance (including personal savings)
The right has no answer for this
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:27 am to NC_Tigah
a high deductible plan + a savings account to store the deductible protects you from bankruptcy
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:and encourages an individual's frugality in seeking sub-deductible services.
a high deductible plan + a savings account to store the deductible protects you from bankruptcy
It relegates insurance to the role of . . . insurance.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
Doctors biggest cost is their need for insurance to protect itself from so happy lawyers. Who the Democratic Party loves. Trails lawyers are doctors and healthcare's biggest enemy.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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you must buy the product right then and there.
you don't, other than emergency situations
and hospitals are forced by federal law to deal with emergency situations, even if the person can't pay. that raises costs to everyone else
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The result is a hip replacement that costs 10 times here what it does in countries with collective negotiations for consumers.
you can wait and negotiate for this, for example
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:33 am to real
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Doctors biggest cost is their need for insurance to protect itself from so happy lawyers. Who the Democratic Party loves. Trails lawyers are doctors and healthcare's biggest enemy.
europe almost across the board limits liability for doctors in malpractice. the UK has liability, but it's very tough
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:34 am to real
I'm not talking about doctors so much as hospitals and big pharm.
And if there were no lawyers a doctor could do any number of fricked up things to you and you'd have no means of recovery.
FYI, Texas has had tort reform for years and there hasn't been a drop in health care costs here.
And if there were no lawyers a doctor could do any number of fricked up things to you and you'd have no means of recovery.
FYI, Texas has had tort reform for years and there hasn't been a drop in health care costs here.
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Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:39 am to JazzyJeff
I probably met you in Japan. You were the American that made the annual trek to Hiroshima and Nagasaki to apologize for America with some angst-ridden bullshite . I was the guy who banged half of Fukuoka and improved Sapporo stock another 5% just through personal consumption. That's just how I roll through Asia. Like an American and not a little whiny bitch. Go frick yourself you effete little apologist wanker. 
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:39 am to biscuitsngravy
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comments about healthcare contain some truths (big pharma incents docs to write prescriptions) and we know now that big brother is alive and well
Now this shows you don't know what the frick you're talking about. How exactly is this done? Drug companies can't do shite for docs. But they can for insurance execs who decide what meds are on formulary and what copay. Now list incentives I get. Shitty fast food meals? I could give a shite. We don't even get pens anymore. I've been in practice for 11 years and all those "incentives" were done away with before I ever wrote my first rx. So, why are med cost escalating even faster? Because of direst to consumer advertising which used to be illegal. Now pt's request expensive meds all the while bitching about the cost. And then you get your insurance execs getting massive gifts that don't have to be reported. I mean why else would an insurance prefer a more expensive less effective med with more side effects over a cheaper, sometimes even generic med with less side effects? Because of the docs? You're an idiot and your allegations are about 15-20 yrs out of date.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:39 am to biscuitsngravy
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Many Americans live stressful lives, mired in debt, and a car wreck or two pay checks missed from financial ruin.
This is largely due to our attitude that we must consume everything. We have a gluttonous and envious society....we always try to "one up" our neighbor so everyone, regardless if they can actually afford it, has to have the biggest car, biggest house, etc on the block.
We eat too much..the amount of food wasted in this country is astounding.
I'm the same way so I'm not being condescending. Just saying a fact. I love it this way because that attitude is what drives us to be the worlds' largest economy. To have these things that we desire, you have to work, you have to build things, you have to be innovative.
It's absolutely amazing that 90% of the country has a smartphone and flat screen tv.
Some of us spend hundreds of dollars a weekend just to shoot off 1000 rounds of .223 ammo out of an assault rifle at a cardboard target.
What a awesome country I wouldn't live anywhere else
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Texas has never sniffed MedMal Reform. Nowhere close!
FYI, Texas has had tort reform for years and there hasn't been a drop in health care costs hers.
All Texas did was tweak its version of the most expensive, most inefficient tort system in the history of the world. It did so, not to reduce costs, but rather stem the tide of MD attrition from its borders. In that effort, Texas succeeded.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
Everyone is looking at this from the wrong direction. Constantly wanting to treat symptoms rather than the underlying disease.
You want to know what the problem is? It's plain as the nose on my face.
You
Me
That fatasses eating fast food
The lazy bastard sitting on his couch all day
The idiot smoking a pack of cigarettes every day
The moron alcoholic
That is the problem. We squabble over how to treat the symptoms while the cancer grows.
Figure out how to make our society more healthy and all the rest of the problems vanish.
You want to know what the problem is? It's plain as the nose on my face.
You
Me
That fatasses eating fast food
The lazy bastard sitting on his couch all day
The idiot smoking a pack of cigarettes every day
The moron alcoholic
That is the problem. We squabble over how to treat the symptoms while the cancer grows.
Figure out how to make our society more healthy and all the rest of the problems vanish.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:40 am to Lsupimp
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I was the guy who banged half of Fukuoka
I hear the hookers are great over there
Posted on 4/5/14 at 11:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
ortho surgeons working in a hospital discussing what medicare pays for a hip replacement isn't exactly a good response
there is treatment, even othopedic, outside of hospitals
there is treatment, even othopedic, outside of hospitals
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