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re: 98.7% of Americans will be in Full ** PROTEST FATIGUE STAGE ** in 24-36 hrs!
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's kind of like the GOP response to Obamacare. If the policy is unpalatable enough, you don't need to have that alternative solution to win. We still don't have an opposition policy suggestion and the Republicans have successfully ran against the ACA for 15 years now
On this point, I don't disagree too much tbh but we're talking in this thread about ICE enforcement in Minnesota. And to be perfectly honest on this particular thought Obamacare has a been a solution of sorts but has been mostly ineffective. And tbf, I think if you had to come up with some sort of insurance middle grounding, it was the best it could be for what it was. Doesn't say much for it though. I'm personally of the mind to be either for single payer or eliminating all health insurance and let the market decide. There's no good answer on that subject imo.
I'm not a conservative or liberal, I don't care about parties tbh. I always vote for who I think is the best person for the office. Trump is pretty flawed. but as stated, for what we were offered for 2024, Trump is by far and away the best candidate and I don't regret my vote. Democrats solutions on this subject are effectively useless.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:16 am
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:07 am to Houag80
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you have nothing.
No I posted data from 3 polls. That's a lot more than "nothing"
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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That information isn't really necessary for the discussion
Holy shite
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:08 am to Houag80
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counselor.
Ambulance chasing lawyer
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:09 am to theballguy
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but we're talking in this thread about ICE enforcement in Minnesota
And the point is the DEMs don't have to have a solution to be politically successful on the issue. They can just run on Trump's solution bein bad (like Obamacare)
Immigration was Trump's strongest policy in the 2024 election and what his admin failed to realize was the public supported deportations in theory, but would not accept any strategy to accomplish the goal. They are rejecting the admin's strategy in real time. It's a "sausage being made" scenario.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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A new POLITICO poll underscores those worries: Nearly half of all Americans
Hey guys! SFP used a poll from Politico to show that Americans didn’t support ICE. POLITICO!!!! A well known source of Left wing propaganda. Besides, it was a poll of a little over 2,000 people!! It didn’t break down the split of people polled.
Even with that, only 29% of non-MAGA people felt he was being too aggressive; that means that 71% of non-MAGA people are ok with ICE. 13% of MAGA people thought Trump’s approach was too aggressive, meaning 88% are fine with it.
Here is the title over the data I just shared- “Some moderate Trump supporters find his deportation approach too aggressive.” What a disingenuous interpretation of this data, but what else would you expect from them. If you add the two “too aggressive” polling numbers together (29+12), then divide by 2, you get 20.5%. So, we are right at the ole 80/20 rule in favor of ICE.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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If he didn't have a counter-strategy ready for their obvious response, my comment stands.
His counter strategy at the moment is more LEO to bring law and order. Alternate may have to work to get local politicians to support him.
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Obama has nothing to do with this. The whataboutism is not a selling point.
You made it relevant when you say Trump engaged in an inefficient deportation strategy. It is THE strategy for deportations that everyone uses.
Why is it efficient when Obama did it, but not efficient when Trump does it?
Or are you saying any deportation strategy is inefficient?
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:13 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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And the point is the DEMs don't have to have a solution to be politically successful on the issue. They can just run on Trump's solution bein bad (like Obamacare)
I follow you. Yes, that's a concern I'm sure. And this is why I don't like how he does things. They tend to backfire and he doesn't seem to understand why but I think at this point with the left having exhausted most Americans attention for these kinds of things (especially as they are playing up the feels -- hell they make my point here as well -- they have to do this now!), the OP makes a good point of: does anyone care anymore? Maybe some but I think most do not and this is a big change from 2020.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:16 am to Placekicker
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Even with that, only 29% of non-MAGA people felt he was being too aggressive; that means that 71% of non-MAGA people are ok with ICE. 13% of MAGA people thought Trump’s approach was too aggressive, meaning 88% are fine with it.
You didn't read correctly
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Among the 2024 Trump voters who do not identify as MAGA, a more moderate group of Trump supporters, 29 percent say his campaign is too aggressive. Seventeen percent of these voters say it is not aggressive enough.
That's a much smaller population than you're extrapolating. It's not all non-MAGA people, it's non-MAGA Trump voters in 2024.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:18 am to BobBoucher
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His counter strategy at the moment is more LEO to bring law and order.
This had completely backfired in MN. That's not a counter strategy. That's just doubling down on the strategy that is blowing up in his face
Why do you think doubling down will help or be a wise strategy?
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You made it relevant when you say Trump engaged in an inefficient deportation strategy.
Nope, still not relevant. The only thing relevant is discussing Trump's deportation strategy. Obama has nothing to do with this discussion
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Why is it efficient when Obama did it, but not efficient when Trump does it?
Many reasons far outside this discussion, which is why we have to be mindful of avoiding the digression into irrelevancy.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Among the 2024 Trump voters who do not identify as MAGA, a more moderate group of Trump supporters, 29 percent say his campaign is too aggressive.
I'm not MAGA. I don't think the policy is too aggressive as a whole. There's some parts I would change but my view is pretty representative of this group here: we would rather it continue than it not. And the fake outcries have soured me more against their position than Trump's policy on this subject.
Ultimately, it needs to be done. But, protest in an orderly fashion. Don't block law enforcement. While you're protesting have your people work to get things changed the right way. I respect that even if I disagree with them. What they're doing now, I have zero respect for and a lot of contempt for it. They should jail and prosecute anyone who physically gets in the way of law enforcement's activity.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:22 am to theballguy
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does anyone care anymore?
In theory I could have seen this play out but with the two people being killed, it's not going to happen. With the new response to this guy being killed, there's an increased chance that Federal agents kill another citizen, which will only keep eroding what support was left outside of the hardcore base.
Also, I have to keep stressing this polling data was before the shooting this weekend. The shooting this weekend seems to be a much larger inflection point, with many non-leftists, a large portion who voted for Trump in 2024, being highly critical of The killing. The next round of data is going to be terrible
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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I believe well over 90% of Somalis there are here legally, possibly citizens.
Deport them all. Denaturalize the ones that likely illicitly got citizenship and deport them, too. Send their low IQ spawn back to Somalia with them. "Keep the families together."
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:32 am to KidCreole
I joined “Everything Kauai” FB page a couple of years ago to keep up with local news since we try to visit every summer.
There was a post yesterday about a protest of ICE in MN on Oahu. There were maybe 30-40 people who participated. What I didn’t expect was what I read in 90% of the comments. Hawaiians completely clowning the protesters and overwhelmingly coming down on the side of ICE. If you have Hawaiians calling you lunatics, just damn. Don’t believe the media or polls.
There was a post yesterday about a protest of ICE in MN on Oahu. There were maybe 30-40 people who participated. What I didn’t expect was what I read in 90% of the comments. Hawaiians completely clowning the protesters and overwhelmingly coming down on the side of ICE. If you have Hawaiians calling you lunatics, just damn. Don’t believe the media or polls.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
A “Politico poll” LMAO!
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Councilor, we are a nation of laws, not polls.
This thread is a discussion about public support, not laws.
If that be the case, or at least your latest fatigue Jessica Tarlov wanna be, then stop injecting polls into your missive. Read the room as it were, gain insight to public opinion here in a public chatroom.
More to the point slow, this discussion is most certainly about laws and governance from which the public support is derived. You have no standing to dictate my speech, nor will you. Your supposition is hereby denied.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Read the polling data.
The same “polling” that said Hilary would win in a landslide? Yeah, polls are worthless.
Anyway, we will all sit here and talk about different things and nothing will change. Majority of people don’t give a frick about feelings. The extremes on both sides are nothing but noisemakers.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's a much smaller population than you're extrapolating. It's not all non-MAGA people, it's non-MAGA Trump voters in 2024.
Taking the percentages straight from the Politico poll itself, 79.5% of those polled said that ICE’s efforts were just right or not aggressive enough. 79.5% support ICE and like the job they’re doing and/or want them to do more.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:15 am to KidCreole
They have already tried this with Saint George Floyd and it backfired. It will continue to do the same thing. The more they do it the more we will hate them and want to destroy them. It will only get worse for liberals the more they continue to fight it.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:16 am to theballguy
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I'm personally of the mind to be either for single payer or eliminating all health insurance and let the market decide.
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I'm not a conservative or liberal.
Those two statements certainly track.
Pick the most extreme and opposite reactions possible on either side of a highly contentious and complex issue as your "flip a coin" choice, then confirm that you have no ideological foundational grounding for your views.
Makes sense.
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There's no good answer on that subject
No, there's not, and you do get credit for recognizing that, but you managed to pick the two most extreme ones with the most negative side effects possible.
Pretty much at random, too, since they couldn't be more different from each other.
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I always vote for who I think is the best person for the office
Ah yes. The good old "Student Council Charisma" test for elections, because you are above "partisan politics." Maybe one day a cheerleader or the captain of the football team will run, making your choice really easy.
Being "above it all" doesn't make you smarter, it actually makes you ideologically rudderless. Which you genuinely appear to be given your "stance" on healthcare.
Now in saying these things, don't get the idea that I am a tribal populist. I post against that idiocy here every day.
But the main reason I am against it is because it also has no ideological grounding. You are "unaffiliated" when it comes to tribes, but you are also just as unaffiliated as the tribes are when it comes to ideology.
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