re: 793 Billion in Social Security funds stolen annually ( 1/3 of all SS spending fraudulent)

I am sure there is an insane amount of billions of dollars of fraud here but the math this guy is using is not exactly how it works (20 years in tax accounting work)

Your SS payments are basically dependent on a % of what you paid in with some other formulas thrown in there. If there is some SS# that didn't put a cent into the system, the system is so you are not getting paid social security. It is an earned benefit. (not talking about any other benefits outside of retirement)

Some of these in the 100+ age range could be some fake SS# that was created back in the 1930s and doesn't have a penny paid in to their name.

We actually need to see the actual payments made to those over the 100+ or so age range before we can have any clue how much is being paid to dead people.

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but it is hard to believe fraud on this scale would go undetected for any length of time.

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no it’s not; especially if it was purposefully done

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This should be really easy to prove…

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Yep, easy to track.

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death field set to FALSE!"

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exactly what does that mean and how is it assigned?

my impression from the tone of the article is that those are dead people who have been once removed from the payout file, but then later having the death notice override - i.e. labeled FALSE - and those funds are then shunted off to some ghost account for fraudulent dispersal.

What other implication is there>

i.e. - what does FALSE mean and how is it assigned and by whom and for what reason.

Seems improbable that there would be a lot of 'death' input for living people that would necessitate that kind of remediation.

- anyone have an idea?

And this $100 B, $200 B, $300 B oversight somehow escaped the scutiny of decades of fed govt control from both parties and bipartisan oversight organizations? When both parties made deals to close the deficit ?

forgive me if I dont believe Musk until he comes out with actual proof of any number approaching that large figure.

The bizarre part is you receive a SSA-1099 for the benefits you receive during the year. So if you have all of these SSA-1099s that go out there without any corresponding tax return being filed, that would send up a red flag with them.

Yes there are plenty of cases where people don't need to file a return if you are below the threshold for your filing status but that is 20 million IRS transcripts that are on record every year with SS Income on them but nobody is filing a single tax return. Sorry but if you are over 100, you are probably relatively wealthy enough to stay healthy enough to be alive. You would be filing tax returns. People who are poor enough not to have to file a tax return are probably not living past 90 and that is generous. The IRS also does a lot of budgeting when they decided how much of SS payments are going to be taxable on a given year and how much revenue they should pull in from them. Say for every $ of SS paid out, they get 2 pennies in income tax. This would completely throw their budgets off if 1/3 of all SS payments were to fake people.

Just seems like, in order for this to have to fly so far under the radar, there would have to be somebody making it so there are no SSA-1099s going out. Because the IRS has never been ones to let some old helpless person miss a payment that they expect.

If this is proven, every hardworking American should be irate regardless of party affiliation. SS has been a huge concern for a very long time and for DOGE to come in and find this major issue in only a matter of weeks infuriates me of past administration’s complete lack of accountability and simply looking into it!!!

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I was wondering if the data has reported, how many of those accounts (social security numbers) are, in fact, receiving benefits.

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Yeah, based on what was directly quoted vs implied, it's hard to tell if "eligible social security numbers" or "death field set to false" equates to fraudulent monthy SS checks. I'm sure there is fraud in SS, skeptical that it's that much. Numbers like $793B a year are usually reserved for politicians, bureaucrats, and the people who control them.