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re: 72 years ago today, the U.S. dropped 15 kilotons of freedom onto Japan
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:53 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:53 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Uh, huh. And we're 16 years (and counting) into the Middle East because of the "New Pearl Harbor" a.k.a. 9/11.
Not sure what you're asking here. Is it the number of innocent people murdered that makes the difference, or is it just the fact that if we do it, it's a strategic military strike, and war is hell, whereas if they do it, it's murdering terrorists at work?
We would never have been doing it to the Japanese except that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor so that they could continue doing it to the Chinese.
Keep feeding the beast.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:54 pm to TX Tiger
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Funny how when we murder innocent people, it's strategic military strike and war is hell. When they do it, it's raping, pillaging, terrorist animals.
The establishment has us so brainwashed and wrapped around their little finger.
Disgusting.
Actually, what's really disgusting is you trying to wrap all of this up in your military industrial complex horseshite and try and make sense of it, all the while sitting behind the liberty and freedom you enjoy because of the sacrifices during that war to preserve that freedom and liberty for you. There's no cost high enough for TX Tiger's Moral High Brow Pontifications behind his computer screen.
What would it have taken oh wise TX Tiger? A couple more million Japanese and Americans lives lost in taking mainland Japan for you to see that dropping those bombs were the best thing we could have done to bring that Fanaticism to it's knees?
We had no smart bombs in 1945 or prior. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military targets. Instead of dropping the bombs TX Tiger, it's your call. How would you have ended that war, because clearly none of us are as enlightened as you are today.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:01 pm to Mike da Tigah
TX Tiger is a fricking dumbass. That's all I wanted to say in this thread. TX Tiger, you're absolutely clueless about this. Shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:02 pm to TX Tiger
President Roosevelt was a far thinking statesman. He wanted to be friendly with and sympathetic to, the Chinese. He knew they would soon be playing a larger role in world affairs. That is why in the Summer of 1941 he pushed for the creation of the American Volunteer Group, better known as the Flying Tigers. Equipped with 100 P-40 fighters originally intended for Great Britain and 200 pilots and ground personnel including future Medal of Honor winners Gregory Boyington and James Howard, the mercenary AVG set up shop on 3 air bases in Burma and China. In six months they shot down 500 Japanese aircraft.
Major James Howard won the Medal of Honor flying this P-51B on 1/11/44 on a mission with the 8th Air Force.
FDR also opposed the Japanese invasion of China by embargoing oil and steel and other supplies. It was wrong for the Japanese to attack a largely helpless China.
The Japanese were not really capable of subduing China. Their industry and logistics systems just were not capable of such a giant task. But they were able to kill as many as 15 MILLION Chinese simply by burning the crops and killing the livestock in any area they did enter. Nuking the frick out of them stopped them from any further genocidal pursuits.
There was no Military Industrial Complex prior to the 1950's.
Major James Howard won the Medal of Honor flying this P-51B on 1/11/44 on a mission with the 8th Air Force.
FDR also opposed the Japanese invasion of China by embargoing oil and steel and other supplies. It was wrong for the Japanese to attack a largely helpless China.
The Japanese were not really capable of subduing China. Their industry and logistics systems just were not capable of such a giant task. But they were able to kill as many as 15 MILLION Chinese simply by burning the crops and killing the livestock in any area they did enter. Nuking the frick out of them stopped them from any further genocidal pursuits.
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The establishment, and the military industrial complex, thank you for your support.
There was no Military Industrial Complex prior to the 1950's.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
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TX Tiger, it's your call. How would you have ended that war, because clearly none of us are as enlightened as you are today.
Well, since it was FDR that actually ordered the attack on Pearl Harbor by our own troops and then blamed the Japanese, he wouldn't have done that and not allowed us to be drawn into the global fascist economic turmoil that existed at the time. That we caused. So we could then save it.
Remember, this IS Tx Tiger we are talking about...
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:05 pm to RollTide1987
Every year as an American that has lived in Japan with a Japanese family and understands history and both cultures- this thread makes me sad as hell . Same shite different year.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:12 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
What is your opinion on the topic?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:26 pm to Wildcat In Germany
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If the atomic bomb had not been used, evidence like that I have cited points to the practical certainty that there would have been many more months of death and destruction on an enormous scale. Also the early timing of its use was fortunate for a reason which could not have been anticipated. If the invasion plans had proceeded as scheduled, October, 1945, would have seen Okinawa covered with airplanes and its harbors crowded with landing craft poised for the attack. The typhoon which struck Okinawa in that month would have wrecked the invasion plans with a military disaster comparable to Pearl Harbor.
Talk about the fortunes of war...
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:26 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:Oh, O.K. the military industrial complex doesn't exist. Eisenhower was a kook. Got it.
Actually, what's really disgusting is you trying to wrap all of this up in your military industrial complex horseshite
quote:I apologize for not wanting to murder the rest of the world because the establishment says so?
There's no cost high enough for TX Tiger's Moral High Brow Pontifications
quote:I would have murdered everyone in sight.....for freedom.
What would it have taken oh wise TX Tiger? A couple more million Japanese and Americans lives lost in taking mainland Japan for you to see that dropping those bombs were the best thing we could have done to bring that Fanaticism to it's knees?
We had no smart bombs in 1945 or prior. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military targets. Instead of dropping the bombs TX Tiger, it's your call. How would you have ended that war, because clearly none of us are as enlightened as you are today.
Did I do it right?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:27 pm to DeafJam73
quote:I have an uncanny ability to trigger the sheople.
TX Tiger is a fricking dumbass. That's all I wanted to say in this thread. TX Tiger, you're absolutely clueless about this. Shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:35 pm to DeafJam73
My opinion is we should have a Link board for these repetitive history threads. Everything that can be said, has been said . Quite literally, the topic has been discussed sufficiently, a consensus prevails, and it's time to put it to bed.
What mostly annoys me in 2017 about these is American people with limited scopes of reference who view the Japanese people as if it were still 1946. Instead of the amazingly grateful and pro- American culture that they are, almost uniquely in the non- English speaking world . I wish there were more people displaying GRATITUDE for how well it all worked out, against nearly impossible odds, for both countries . And what an amazing testament that is to the national character of both nations. 72 years down the road - how impossibly well it all turned out - the sacrifice of others to our benefit. We got this one right, we were magnanimous in victory and they were sincerely humbled in defeat. It's an incredible achievement.
What mostly annoys me in 2017 about these is American people with limited scopes of reference who view the Japanese people as if it were still 1946. Instead of the amazingly grateful and pro- American culture that they are, almost uniquely in the non- English speaking world . I wish there were more people displaying GRATITUDE for how well it all worked out, against nearly impossible odds, for both countries . And what an amazing testament that is to the national character of both nations. 72 years down the road - how impossibly well it all turned out - the sacrifice of others to our benefit. We got this one right, we were magnanimous in victory and they were sincerely humbled in defeat. It's an incredible achievement.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:39 pm to Lsupimp
I completely agree. It's been 72 years, and we have come a long way since those days.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:40 pm to TX Tiger
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I have an uncanny ability to trigger the sheople.
You're so edgy using words like "sheople." Get fricked. You don't know anything.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:47 pm to TX Tiger
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Did I do it right?
No, killing them all isn't doing it right. Telling me what you would have done to stop the war in the Pacific would be doing it right. Telling everyone who's grandpas get to die in taking mainland Japan might be a move in the right direction.
But alas, those aren't thing you have to worry your little head over. It's been done for you already. All you have to do is sit back and wrap this up in your lunatic simple minded one size fits all Military Industrial Complex conspiracy which relieves you of having to use your head. It just has to be real simple for you apparently. One size fits all. If it doesn't fit then you will make it fit.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:55 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:Actually, if I didn't use my head I would be like you and simply go along with whatever the establishment wants me to believe as truth. We're the good guys. We murder for freedom. They're the bad guys. They murder because they're terrorist animals.
All you have to do is sit back and wrap this up in your lunatic simple minded one size fits all Military Industrial Complex conspiracy which relieves you of having to use your head.
How simple and easy your life must be.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:56 pm to TX Tiger
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Actually, what's really disgusting is you trying to wrap all of this up in your military industrial complex horseshite
Oh, O.K. the military industrial complex doesn't exist. Eisenhower was a kook. Got it.
It became manifest in the 1950's. Soooooooo.... nuking the Japanese couldn't possibly be part of it.
Two things created the MIC:
1. The Military loved all those expensive toys and wanted plenty of them.
2. The powers that be saw the unbelievable fortunes to be had by producing weapons.
These conditions started to poison our body politic in the 1950’s.
President Eisenhower made his "Cross of Iron" speech in 1953.
As we know it is still going great guns; the commanding general in Afghanistan wants more troops to redress the situation there. We have had as many as 130,000 troops in Afghanistan and zero success. It is a scam; we all see it. But it wasn’t a scam until after World War Two.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:00 pm to Lsupimp
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72 years down the road - how impossibly well it all turned out - the sacrifice of others to our benefit. We got this one right, we were magnanimous in victory and they were sincerely humbled in defeat. It's an incredible achievement.
Pow.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:04 pm to TX Tiger
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Actually, if I didn't use my head I would be like you and simply go along with whatever the establishment wants me to believe as truth. We're the good guys. We murder for freedom. They're the bad guys. They murder because they're terrorist animals.
How simple and easy your life must be.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
What specifically would YOU have done to end World War II with the least possible amount of American deaths?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:07 pm to TX Tiger
You're not saying anything. At all. You keep going in circles. Just shows you don't actually know anything. You're just spewing whatever crap you read on the internet.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:08 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:You mean the guy who bankrupted America and turned ownership of this country over to the Federal Reserve? That's the POS you're calling a far thinking statesman? Far thinking for the Fascist establishment perhaps. Certainly not for the American people.
President Roosevelt was a far thinking statesman.
quote:So Japan couldn't conquer a helpless nation and we're supposed to get involved in a World War over them?
It was wrong for the Japanese to attack a largely helpless China.
The Japanese were not really capable of subduing China.
quote:You just said they couldn't even conquer a helpless nation.
Nuking the frick out of them stopped them from any further genocidal pursuits.
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