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re: 72 years ago today, the U.S. dropped 15 kilotons of freedom onto Japan
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:35 pm to bmy
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:35 pm to bmy
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Soviet Unions entry into the war flipped the script. Japan was already negotiating surrender when the bombs were dropped. Not exactly what they teach in American schools though.
So where did you get your info from? What they teach in the Japanese Schools? Sure there was a lot of war propaganda to go around but you can get a pretty solid consensus no matter who you read from the American perspective from historians today that the fairly common opinion is the bombs saved lives. Of course you may have a Soviet or Japanese- Centric perspective come to think of it so carry on makes a lot of sense.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 10:38 pm
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:43 pm to bmy
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Truman insisted on unconditional surrender and the negotiations were held up because the japanese didn't want their emperor to be tried for war crimes.
You don't think unconditional surrender was necessary due to the culture and cult like religion of the WW2 era Japanese at the time? That seemed to be the only way we could trust a surrendor after the lies and deception from the Japs leading to Pearl Harbor. You might want to read more about the pacific theater to truly understand how brutal
And sadistic the Japanese were. It was a complete total war.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:48 pm to RollTide1987
The people who rail against the atomic bomb attacks today are making modern day judgments on historical people. That is both useless abd unfair.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:49 pm to bigbowe80
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You don't think unconditional surrender was necessary due to the culture and cult like religion of the WW2 era Japanese at the time? That seemed to be the only way we could trust a surrendor after the lies and deception from the Japs leading to Pearl Harbor. You might want to read more about the pacific theater to truly understand how brutal
And sadistic the Japanese were. It was a complete total war.
Finally somebody used their brain!
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:50 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Japan did -not- surrender unconditionally. There main condition was that the emperor's position be respected. And it was.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I mean, they didn't. Japan was on the brink of surrendering and would have months earlier had we simply told them we wouldn't imprison/execute the empero
That's an assumption I would need to see a lot of evidence and sourcing to believe. I've read a lot from a ton of different sources and perspectives and it sounded like most of the emporers inner circle of leadership wanted to keep on fighting even AFTER the bombs were dropped. In fact their was almost a coupe before the surrendor to oust the emperor for the specific reason to continue fighting.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:56 pm to bigbowe80
A good and new book that covers the end of the war is "The Conquering Tide", by Ian Toll.
It was Russia's entry into the war that finally caused the Japs to bring out the white flag.
It was Russia's entry into the war that finally caused the Japs to bring out the white flag.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:59 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Only because the Japs knew they were fricked and preferred American occupation to Russian.
How fricking shitty do you have to be as humans when someone prefers to be occupied by a power that literally saw fit to rain atomic hell fire on them and their people over you?
How fricking shitty do you have to be as humans when someone prefers to be occupied by a power that literally saw fit to rain atomic hell fire on them and their people over you?
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:03 pm to larry289
Dad was stationed in Japan and spent time in Korea as a Marine.
If you ask him, he'll tell you we should have dropped 10 bombs.
If you ask him, he'll tell you we should have dropped 10 bombs.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:03 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Vets say the Japenese wouldn't quit or ever surrender - very fanatical and would feign surrender only to suicide bomb.
Theyvwere training middle school kids to run up to tanks with dynamite on the end of poles. They were ready to fight to the last drop of blood.
One of those middle school kids thanked me for us dropping the bombs.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:04 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Japan did -not- surrender unconditionally. There main condition was that the emperor's position be respected. And it was.
Only after MacArthur came to the conclusion that Hirohito need not be tried for war crimes. The decision to depose Hirohito was up in the air even after we occupied the home islands.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:07 pm to bmy
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Unfortunately a useless act of violence
What an ignorant, moronic, and vapid comment...
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bmy
appropriate from you.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:10 pm to bigbowe80
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Even after the two nukes were dropped many civilians and military personnel strongly disagreed with surrender. What better option would you have taken?
Xe is just reporting what Xhe was told by their gender studies racial undertones of grammar professor.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:22 pm to bigbowe80
The Japanese were ready to surrender on the condition that their emperor was not paraded around as a war criminal.
I don't see the point in killing innocents when it can be avoided.
I'm also glad the path we took worked.
I don't see the point in killing innocents when it can be avoided.
I'm also glad the path we took worked.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It was pure malice and vengengce by the British who wanted revenge over the Blitz.
I am ok with this. Don't start none, won't be none.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:25 pm to RollTide1987
Burning Japanese, I think we're burning Japanese, I really think so...
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:32 pm to RollTide1987
The MOAB bombs that were dropped recently had close to the same destructive force.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:46 pm to northshorebamaman
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We should have went ahead and bombed Moscow while we had the chance.
That has to be the dumbest 'Murica thing that I have seen. What would that have accomplished? I mean yeah let's prolonge WW2 because it simply wasn't tragic enough for all of the poor saps that had to fight and die each day. Yeah lets kill millions of civilians because they live in the wrong country under oppresive regimes. What a wanabe macho peon. I bet your solution for the Middle East is to "turn it all ta glass." I'm glad your ignorant opinions have no sway over our military commanders.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:50 pm to LSU2a
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solution for the Middle East is to "turn it all ta glass."
Why what an excellent idea!!!
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:03 am to LSU2a
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What would that have accomplished?
Well the comment was a joke but since you asked bombing the USSR before they had a bomb would have ended the Cold War before it started so no Cold War, no Korea, no Vietnam, no 9/11, no Afghanistan and no Iraq. Now, I still wouldn't have done it, and we'd probably have found other entanglements to get wrapped up in, but it's not without an upside.
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