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re: 72 years ago today, the U.S. dropped 15 kilotons of freedom onto Japan
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:12 pm to FreeState
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:12 pm to FreeState
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My grandmother often said, and my father who was a Marine in the Pacific Theater, that the dropping of the bomb probably saved his life. Dad was in the Pacific three years, in several battles, rarely spoke of the war, but did say the Japanese were intent on fighting to death, so there.
One of the younger members of the Ebola Gay crew asked an officer if he thought the new bomb would end the war. The officer said (based on what he heard from others) that it would, but we might need more than one.
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:12 pm to RollTide1987
Definitely no curve of the earth in that pic. This proves that our planet has been flat since at least 1945. Check mate, Sphereists!
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why? It is one of the most stirring examples of the power and beauty of the human mind.
I bet if you think really hard you might be able to figure it out.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:23 pm to Centinel
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Well here's our first Monday-morning quarterback.
Your expertise to claim this is what exactly?
Soviet Unions entry into the war flipped the script. Japan was already negotiating surrender when the bombs were dropped. Not exactly what they teach in American schools though. Truman insisted on unconditional surrender and the negotiations were held up because the japanese didn't want their emperor to be tried for war crimes. He instead elected to kill 225,000+ Japanese citizens. Japan eventually surrendered unconditionally but MacArthur let the emperor have his way out assuring diplomats that "I have no desire whatever to debase [Hirohito] in the eyes of his own people” and not treating him as a war criminal.
U.S military estimates at the time indicated that the U.S. would have suffered 200,000 casualties (40,000 deaths, 160,000 non-lethal injuries) if Japan was invaded. They would have lost a lot more than the 225k+ that died if we had to invade, though. That place would have lit up like a matchbox.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:24 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Haven't you ever heard of a killer?
What are you trying to say??
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:25 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm pretty sure most of the southeastern and midwestern part of the country will be saying that if California gets hit by a nuke. And when we're done laughing we'll hit North Korea one hundred fold.
You would laugh if California was hit by a nuke? What kind of fricked up loser are you?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:25 pm to bmy
You live in a fantasy world.
Sad.
Sad.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:27 pm to cameronml
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You're pretty messed up. I'm sure you won't be saying that if Kim Jung Un lobs one on you in California.
This is a nonsense comment.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:29 pm to crazycubes
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Anywho, I hated the fact that we had to drop the bomb. But, when you are attacked, you must respond.
The main factors were
(1) loss of life projections of a mainland invasion. It was over 1 million US troops (would have tripled our losses in WWII) and millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians. 100k+ lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved both US and jap lives
(2) Russia was starting to get involved in the war effort and would have wanted more say in post WWII Japan. Think proxy wars, or even Berlin Wall post WWII. US didn't want this so a quick end was needed
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:29 pm to Jcorye1
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I understand that it was a necessary evil, but I won't cheer for the deaths of civilians like that.
You did not live during that time, so what gives you the right to say people cheered because civilians died. My father was in the Pacific and I can assure you if you knew what fighting the Japanese suicidal soldier was like you might not give a shite about anyone from Japan in those days. Attitudes mellow with age, but as a first year babyboomer, I can tell you there was not a bunch of empathy for those people.
Now, turn that around and look what the free world, predominantly the U.S., did for Japan post war and what her people enjoy today. Not withstanding they never apologized for the murdering of over 2000 U.S. military in Pearl Harbor. They would have sacrificed their three year old children had we been forced to invade.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:30 pm to Jcorye1
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I understand that it was a necessary evil, but I won't cheer for the deaths of civilians like that.
I don't know about that, but I cheer any squint death that demoralized those savages into surrender. Others may feel differently.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:30 pm to larry289
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You did not live during that time, so what gives you the right to say people cheered because civilians died.
What? I meant like OP.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:32 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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You would laugh if California was hit by a nuke? What kind of fricked up loser are you?
You're confused.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It was pure malice and vengengce by the British who wanted revenge over the Blitz.
Yeah...well can't say I blame them
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:40 pm to Dale51
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What are you trying to say??
Dr. Dre reference.
"Haven't you ever heard of a killer? I drop bombs like Hiroshima."
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:42 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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You would laugh if California was hit by a nuke?
Yes, but not for too long.
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What kind of fricked up loser are you?
The kind of loser who hates California. Any more questions?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:46 pm to Jcorye1
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What? I meant like OP.
He did say "May it never happen again". I think you miss his intent, the cheering is relative to these weapons ending the war in a relatively short span of time and lives lost.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:07 pm to larry289
The atomic bomb was a blessing not a curse for Japan. US and Russia would have hacked their way through the mainland for years killing millions of Japanese troops and even more civilians
While tragic that many innocents died, many more Japanese boys and men went home to their families and no longer had a war to fight
That's not even mentioning what post WWII Japan might look like in the alternative scenario. Likely similar to the Korean Peninsula today
While tragic that many innocents died, many more Japanese boys and men went home to their families and no longer had a war to fight
That's not even mentioning what post WWII Japan might look like in the alternative scenario. Likely similar to the Korean Peninsula today
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:10 pm to Scoop
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Geared up for 8 pages of idiots saying the bombs didn't save more lives than they took.
I mean, they didn't. Japan was on the brink of surrendering and would have months earlier had we simply told them we wouldn't imprison/execute the emperor. The bombs were a show of force for the Soviets to see.
That being said, this:
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Don't start none, won't be none.
Is absolutely true. Japan brought it all on themselves and had it coming.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:15 pm to bmy
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Unfortunately a useless act of violence
It probably saved 10 times as many lives as it took chief. An invasion of Japan had conservative estimates of killing millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Americans. You have to understand, at that time, the empire of Japan practiced widespread Shintoism and empower worship ( essentially they believe the emperor was a god and their nation was the chosen dominate race on earth). They would not have surrendered as long as the emperor told them to fight. That means every man, woman, and child on the island was prepared and ready to fight the enemy to the death. Even after the two nukes were dropped many civilians and military personnel strongly disagreed with surrender. What better option would you have taken?
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 10:20 pm
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