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re: 26 Tons of Chinese Fentanyl seized in Mehico
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:20 am to Strannix
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:20 am to Strannix
Charlie Kirk states it's enough to kill 92% of the world's population.
Okay, since when is 92% of the world's population addicted to drugs and "at risk" here?
More overblown hype. Although definitely a major problem, using hysteria to make a point is stupid.
Okay, since when is 92% of the world's population addicted to drugs and "at risk" here?
More overblown hype. Although definitely a major problem, using hysteria to make a point is stupid.
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:20 am to GumboPot
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Agree but I do think there is some validity to the lack of access saving lives.
If we save just one life! Again, I think this same argument is being made with regard to another product.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:33 am to HubbaBubba
quote:Dude, use your head. He's not saying 92% are addicted to drugs.
Charlie Kirk states it's enough to kill 92% of the world's population.
Okay, since when is 92% of the world's population addicted to drugs and "at risk" here?
More overblown hype. Although definitely a major problem, using hysteria to make a point is stupid.
He's explaining that there's 7.2 billion people, and because of the potency of Fentanyl, 26 tons is enough to kill 6.6 billion people.
In other words, he's illustrating how dangerous this stuff is, and specifically how dangerous this much that was seized is.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:39 am to Strannix
Probably IB Cuckman's personal stash
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:40 am to BeefDawg
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Dude, use your head. He's not saying 92% are addicted to drugs.
He's explaining that there's 7.2 billion people, and because of the potency of Fentanyl, 26 tons is enough to kill 6.6 billion people.
In other words, he's illustrating how dangerous this stuff is, and specifically how dangerous this much that was seized is.
He's just parroting something he heard...an empty scare "stat".
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:42 am to wutangfinancial
You are exactly right.
Today in Oklahoma a judge is deciding if Johnson and Johnson can be held responsible for the opoid epidemic in Oklahoma. Fentanyl is an opioid. If Johnson and Johnson loses that ruling the trial lawyers will bust their arse.
The OP posted a link to a Mexican cartel importing the stuff for sale no telling where yet they have few if any assets these trial lawyers can get their hands on so litigation against them will not happen.
It is just wrong that a great American company can be sued alleging they engage in activities that contributed to illegal uses and sales of opioids yet the real criminals face no financial consequences.
I don't know why the Chinese chemical companies make fentanyl---world demand I suppose. I know we never banned the purchase of coffee from Columbia by Americans even though they produced most of the coke sold in the USA.
Today in Oklahoma a judge is deciding if Johnson and Johnson can be held responsible for the opoid epidemic in Oklahoma. Fentanyl is an opioid. If Johnson and Johnson loses that ruling the trial lawyers will bust their arse.
The OP posted a link to a Mexican cartel importing the stuff for sale no telling where yet they have few if any assets these trial lawyers can get their hands on so litigation against them will not happen.
It is just wrong that a great American company can be sued alleging they engage in activities that contributed to illegal uses and sales of opioids yet the real criminals face no financial consequences.
I don't know why the Chinese chemical companies make fentanyl---world demand I suppose. I know we never banned the purchase of coffee from Columbia by Americans even though they produced most of the coke sold in the USA.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:44 am to cwill
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Again, I think this same argument is being made with regard to another product.
How do you feel about other controlled substances like Ricin or Uranium 232?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:47 am to cwill
quote:Flip sides of the same coin, but neither side even sees it.
Are you telling me that if we eliminate access to a product, that we will see less negative consequences from the use of that product? I think I've heard a similar argument regarding another product....
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:50 am to Strannix
Admitting my ignorance, but is there a way it can be weaponized and used as a WMD on a population?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:51 am to I B Freeman
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they have few if any assets these trial lawyers can get their hands on so litigation against them will not happen.
Boom. This will always be the reason people sue. It has nothing to do with fixing problems or "justice." It's just a wealth creation scheme for trial lawyers and their clients. It's the same with energy companies and climate change. The consumers don't have the same assets, so they go after the companies instead of the people using their products.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:52 am to Strannix
We should just tariff the drugs just to make IBChiniMelt angst- filled.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:53 am to AggieHank86
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Are you telling me that if we eliminate access to a product, that we will see less negative consequences from the use of that product? I think I've heard a similar argument regarding another product....
Flip sides of the same coin, but neither side even sees it.
Link to the section of the US Constitution that guarantees the right to keep and bear synthetic opiods?
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:54 am to USA Dan
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Admitting my ignorance, but is there a way it can be weaponized and used as a WMD on a population?
You don’t think China recognizes that there’s a nation wide opioid epidemic in the U.S.?
This is a calculated move by the Chinese, using the Mexican Cartel as a conduit. China needs to be held accountable for this at the highest level. It takes a true, evil nation like China to execute something of this magnitude.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:57 am to USA Dan
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Admitting my ignorance, but is there a way it can be weaponized and used as a WMD on a population?
I don't know much about the drug either, except for the fact that even a small amount is deadly. Add this to the problem, that we have many illegal people working in our food processing plants and such, it seems like it would be very easy to do.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:11 am to udtiger
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According to Sean Hannity, that's enough to kill ever single man, woman and child in America.
If my math was done correctly it’s enough to kill the entire world. Enough to kill 7.87 billion people
Lethal dose for an adult is 3 mg. 333 people killed per gram. 333,000 per kilogram. 2,000 lbs per ton. 2.2 lbs in a kilogram. Do conversion math. It’s in that vicinity at least cause I did some rounding but it’s enough to kill over 7 billion
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:15 am to AggieHank86
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It seems to me that the American consumers of this product are “fueling” the purported “epidemic.”
When there is no demand, there will be no supply.
True
So we should begin immediately executing suppliers and dealers caught in this country after a trial. No more prison time, straight to the gas chamber or bullet to the back of the head or whatever. Eliminate the supply chain and the weak minded addicts are left floundering to either ween themselves or seek help to be weaned off of the drugs.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:20 am to GumboPot
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It just that drug dealers are cutting opiates with fentanyl and making them cheaper and more potent. And when they screw up, and it’s easy to do, they are killing people due to ODing on fentanyl. They just go to sleep and don’t wake up. Respiratory failure.
I don’t get why they do it either. You’re killing off the consumer. Dumb strategy. Especially when lacing non opiate drugs like cocaine which is consumed in many cases in large amounts. And the person doing it doesn’t know if, or how much, fentanyl is in it so they can’t adjust consumption. Not like your dealer says hey man they told me each gram of coke has 3mg of fentanyl so don’t do it all in one night
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:24 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
It's time we start flooding Afghani badflower into China.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:27 am to wutangfinancial
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It's just a wealth creation scheme for trial lawyers and their clients. It's the same with energy companies and climate change.
It is the biggest problem in the US economy today IMHO. Yes even more than tariffs.
Move us to a Commonwealth model of tort and the stock market will soar.
Canada has .3% yes point 3 percent per capita of the tort lawsuits that US has.
We need to have
1) loser pay--both sides should have to declare their expenses and post bonds to cover the other side's cost in order to get to court. (most cases will never get to court as the incentive will be huge to get them settled or drop them)
2) civil cases should be a decided by a panel of judges instead of juries. It is such a fraud to talk about a "jury of peers" when you have science cases and cancer cases. 12 people from the lines of WalMart can't decide those cases.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:28 am to mahdragonz
quote:People hopelessly addicted to narcotics by greedy Big Pharma?
Why is there such a big American demand for fentanyl?
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