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re: 2 of the 4 Sniper Teams were Local Cops
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Too many parties involved hurts the CT narrative a good bit.
Using under-trained individuals for security detail actually only adds fuel to that fire.
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:11 am to BillyBobfan24_7
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Exactly. Dude acts like it matters if local was supposed to cover it verses USSS. Somebody should have been posted on that building. Even if it’s just another spotter. But the fact they had 4 sniper teams and not one was on that roof or solely responsible for covering that roof?
Nope.
That’s not at all the argument I made. Not even close. You are conflating topics and their respective contexts.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:59 am to TygerTyger
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BUT it's not the major issue. The major issue is that the closest high ground with clear line of sight to the target was not manned by a USSS person and clearly not secured. THAT's the USSS fricking job. THey don't write speeding tickets. They don't arrest drunk drivers. Their whole reason to exist is to assess surroundings and ensure there is no danger to their responsibility.
They failed at that.
100% correct. The question is do we believe the SS could be THAT incompetent?
I do not. It was intentional.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:05 am to Robin Masters
It is beyond dropping the ball. They let the fricker throw up a ladder and crawl to position in plain sight. This was an inside job.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:08 am to lake chuck fan
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Erik Prince
Hire this man.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:10 am to mrcoon
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is beyond dropping the ball. They let the fricker throw up a ladder and crawl to position in plain sight. This was an in
Meh, I’m not saying it isn’t possible but in either scenario you are left with the end result being incompetence. They failed at protecting him and the failed at killing him. If they were incompetent then Occam’s razor determines that they simply failed at protecting him. There is no logical benefit to jumping all the way to failing at a massive conspiracy to killing him.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:12 am to lake chuck fan
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100% correct. The question is do we believe the SS could be THAT incompetent?
I do not. It was intentional.
I'm trying my hardest NOT to believe it was intentional.... I'm trying real hard.
It's not working.....
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:33 am to lake chuck fan
This is highly believable.
The 2 counter snipers that can be seen behind Trump had a guy laying down that literally moved into the fetal position when the shots rang out (so clearly he didn’t take out the shooter) and the other guy kneeling who popped his head up right before the first shots then completely lost his balance and was sliding down the roof as he tried to reposition. Hard to imagine that he was able to fire an accurate shot within the 8-10 seconds that went by before the first sniper shot was heard.
The fact that the counter sniper was over 400 yards out and took the shooter out shows again how the outer perimeter which allowed an elevated position of 150 yards or less is a tremendous failure
The 2 counter snipers that can be seen behind Trump had a guy laying down that literally moved into the fetal position when the shots rang out (so clearly he didn’t take out the shooter) and the other guy kneeling who popped his head up right before the first shots then completely lost his balance and was sliding down the roof as he tried to reposition. Hard to imagine that he was able to fire an accurate shot within the 8-10 seconds that went by before the first sniper shot was heard.
The fact that the counter sniper was over 400 yards out and took the shooter out shows again how the outer perimeter which allowed an elevated position of 150 yards or less is a tremendous failure
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:46 am to BillyBobfan24_7
It is reasonable to think the plan was for that roof to be covered by the 2 counter snipers. Probably not a great plan to begin with and whoever made that plan should never have responsibility to make a security plan again, but further to have that roof covered by local is maybe another horrible decision and compounded by their poor execution
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:27 am to NorCali
This is only my “professional opinion” and only refers to the counter snipers actions - not the FUBAR leading up to the shot.
The two counter snipers behind Trump in the video did not have the shooter in their line of sight. They were searching for him (likely had coms that someone was on roof. Would like to see video of when they got on their scopes compared to when the crowd noticed shooter.).
As I had said previously the position of the shooter was obscured from the counter snipers view by the tree.
The reason the guy came off his scope was more than likely because coms called out the shooter popping over the roof ridge. Since the counter sniper did not see the shooter in his scope he pulled off so he could visually try to see where shooter was. Of course the shooter then shoots. Think about the timing of the guy coming off his scope and the shooters first shot.
The counter sniper team flinching and ducking is an expected response from them considering they have no visual on the shooter. If you have ever been shot at you would understand this. There is a reason the USSS undergoes extensive protective training. It takes training to not flinch or duck for cover.
I can assure you that if the counter sniper team had a visual on the shooter they would NOT have came off their scopes. Their actions are consistent with someone not having a target in sight.
The two counter snipers behind Trump in the video did not have the shooter in their line of sight. They were searching for him (likely had coms that someone was on roof. Would like to see video of when they got on their scopes compared to when the crowd noticed shooter.).
As I had said previously the position of the shooter was obscured from the counter snipers view by the tree.
The reason the guy came off his scope was more than likely because coms called out the shooter popping over the roof ridge. Since the counter sniper did not see the shooter in his scope he pulled off so he could visually try to see where shooter was. Of course the shooter then shoots. Think about the timing of the guy coming off his scope and the shooters first shot.
The counter sniper team flinching and ducking is an expected response from them considering they have no visual on the shooter. If you have ever been shot at you would understand this. There is a reason the USSS undergoes extensive protective training. It takes training to not flinch or duck for cover.
I can assure you that if the counter sniper team had a visual on the shooter they would NOT have came off their scopes. Their actions are consistent with someone not having a target in sight.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowCuckPedo
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:30 am to Fat Bastard
The melt continues
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:32 am to tarpley2000
Thanks Tarpley.
Do you have an opinion as to WHICH sniper team killed the shooter?
Do you have an opinion as to WHICH sniper team killed the shooter?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:47 am to IvoryBillMatt
I definitely know it wasn’t the one in the video. Most likely the team to viewers right of the stage. They had a clear line of sight.
In regard to the delay of return fire, I am unsure. The tree in question could be larger than google shows and even the 2nd team had a hard time finding him. Most likely one teams sector was the left half and the others the right half of the roofs.
Also you have to realize there a lot of roofs from the counter snipers perspective. Google shows 4 buildings minimum. Without the shooter popping up right away not as easy as it seems to lay eyes on him.
In regard to the delay of return fire, I am unsure. The tree in question could be larger than google shows and even the 2nd team had a hard time finding him. Most likely one teams sector was the left half and the others the right half of the roofs.
Also you have to realize there a lot of roofs from the counter snipers perspective. Google shows 4 buildings minimum. Without the shooter popping up right away not as easy as it seems to lay eyes on him.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:02 pm to tarpley2000
Much obliged
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:21 pm to TygerTyger
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I'm trying my hardest NOT to believe it was intentional.... I'm trying real hard.
I don't understand why it's hard to believe that between Biden's refusal to provide actual SS resources to the simple fact that government sucks at everything - why is it so hard to believe this ridiculous performance of "security" is authentic government?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to frick something up."
Name one thing government does well - effectively and efficiently.
Seriously, name one.
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