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re: 17-year-old is on life support after being shot by San Antonio officer at McDonald's
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:31 am to NIH
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:31 am to NIH
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The cop didn’t just make a “mistake”
He lied after the fact and tried to cover up what he did
Now that is a big frickup on the cop's part. The dude is in serious trouble, and he should be.
My point is to go be a cop for a few months in a not so great city. Then tell me it doesn't frick you up some.
I've been around this board for a long time. The emotional intelligence of the posters here tell me not many of you would make good cops either. I'm including myself as well.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:37 am
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:36 am to International_Aggie
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This is why police should make every effort to de-escalate and have more tools in their disposal than lethal weapons
The police have been extensively criticized in the past for using non-lethal methods such as tasers. There are those who will criticize them regardless of what their actions are. Incidents such as this one are the exception, not the rule, yet some people (basically anarchists) push the false narrative that this is typical of our police.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:46 am to Tupelo
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The police have been extensively criticized in the past for using non-lethal methods such as tasers. There are those who will criticize them regardless of what their actions are. Incidents such as this one are the exception, not the rule, yet some people (basically anarchists) push the false narrative that this is typical of our police.
And we've seen incidents where less than lethal force and use of tazers put LE in life threatening situations. Tazers are ineffective pretty frequently.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:47 am to WeirdFlex
I don't think you have the guts to be a cop.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:47 am to squid_hunt
Lol. Most of us would run if we're minding our own business, eating... and a random motherfricker shows up and opens our car door, aggressively.
There're a few bad cops out there. . It's okay, ya don't have to go above and beyond to defend the bad ones. This was a bad one.
There're a few bad cops out there. . It's okay, ya don't have to go above and beyond to defend the bad ones. This was a bad one.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:48 am to WeirdFlex
that cop is both stupid and a pussy. tough combination for an officer of the law.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:49 am to squid_hunt
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Or the kid was a crook who ran from the cops already and got busted and took off again. You tell me because the media isn't going to tell us.
Let's say everything you just said is true. Stolen car, ran from the cops the night before, and the kid has a criminal history. In your opinion, was this a justifiable shooting?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:50 am to Plx1776
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Lol. Most of us would run if we're minding our own business, eating... and a random motherfricker shows up and opens our car door, aggressively.
There're a few bad cops out there. . It's okay, ya don't have to go above and beyond to defend the bad ones. This was a bad one.
All your garbage excuses aside, just answer the question: Was the car stolen? That's all I want to know. It completely changes the narrative which is why the media is trying so hard to distract from it.
Was the car stolen? Just answer the question.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:51 am to squid_hunt
aren’t you a cop?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:59 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Let's say everything you just said is true. Stolen car, ran from the cops the night before, and the kid has a criminal history. In your opinion, was this a justifiable shooting?
Here's the thing. We can go around and around on this sort of thing.
Say the kid drove off recklessly as he did in the video and collided with a minivan a 1/4 mile down the road and killed 4 passengers, including 2 children.
Would shooting the driver in this particular type of situation be justibiable? I'm not exactly sure what the actual law or procedure is, but a "criminal" in a car driving recklessly at high speed is dangerous as hell and can get people injured or killed quickly.
I can see this shooting both ways for that reason. Not sure what the proper play is (and I'm not talking legally). If the cop played this out perfectly and the kid still ran like that, I can see myself arguing it was a justifiable shot. That kid was operating a dangerous weapon at that point. Vehicular homicide is a thing. But the other part of my brain is "you probably shouldn't shoot and kill someone on what may happen"... it's a dang tricky thing honestly.
I'm sure we've seen that argument before, but isn't that arguable? It happens.
I know we can argue "what ifs" all day, but policy and regulations take into account of as many "what ifs" as possible. I write policies as part of my job. When I do, I take into account of things that HAVE HAPPENED and things that MAY HAPPEN. In my line of work, if it can happen, it will happen. Only difference is I don't have to figure out if I should shoot people or not... thank goodness.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:06 am to squid_hunt
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Was the car stolen?
It is highly unlikely.
Erik Cantu was initially charged with trying to evade an arrest and aggravated assault. The DA rejected the charges. If the car was stolen, I would assume there would have been an initial charge for that as well.
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 am to squid_hunt
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All your garbage excuses aside, just answer the question: Was the car stolen? That's all I want to know. It completely changes the narrative which is why the media is trying so hard to distract from it.
Was the car stolen? Just answer the question.
Do we know if it was or not? Honest question.
And because I'm ignorant of the laws and procedures here, would the car being stolen justify the shooting? Or you just talking about the media's role here?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 am to Nurbis
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I’m not saying he deserves to get shot, but comply with the cops and you’ll never get shot/harmed.
Not true. Philando Castille complied and that cop panicked and shot him anyway. Some cops just suck.
It's true in virtually every case, but that case was one of the exceptions. I modified my behavior after reading about the Philando Castile case. If I'm stopped for a traffic violation (or checkpoint,or whatever), I no longer volunteer that I have a firearm in my car. If I have to go into my glovebox where I keep my car registration (and pistol), I tell the officer, "I have a concealed carry permit in my wallet". This isn't as threatening as "I have a gun". The officer invariably then asks me if my gun is in the car with me. I tell him yes, it's in the glovebox with my registration. I offer to let him retrieve the registration himself if he wishes.
I’m not saying he deserves to get shot, but comply with the cops and you’ll never get shot/harmed.
Not true. Philando Castille complied and that cop panicked and shot him anyway. Some cops just suck.
It's true in virtually every case, but that case was one of the exceptions. I modified my behavior after reading about the Philando Castile case. If I'm stopped for a traffic violation (or checkpoint,or whatever), I no longer volunteer that I have a firearm in my car. If I have to go into my glovebox where I keep my car registration (and pistol), I tell the officer, "I have a concealed carry permit in my wallet". This isn't as threatening as "I have a gun". The officer invariably then asks me if my gun is in the car with me. I tell him yes, it's in the glovebox with my registration. I offer to let him retrieve the registration himself if he wishes.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:17 am to squid_hunt
quote:there’s zero evidence to suggest it was stolen
Was the car stolen? Just answer the question.
Why do you keep bringing this up? Why didn’t the cop go straight to opening his door after calling in the plate?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:18 am to NIH
quote:wow I hope not
aren’t you a cop?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:19 am to squid_hunt
quote:San Antonio officer who shot teen at McDonald's is arrested on two aggravated assault charges
it's not whether the cop knew. The article is deliberately confusing.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:22 am to the808bass
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It is highly unlikely.
Erik Cantu was initially charged with trying to evade an arrest and aggravated assault
They dropped the charges for political reasons as damage control. In my opinion, based on how it's being reported, it is very likely it was stolen. I'm ok with that being demonstrated untrue. is it?
You should care. The media is trying to spin this up to leave us defenseless against their brownshirts. The facts matter.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:24 am to Halls Hair
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up all the good cops because of a few bad ones
In my experience the ratio is reversed.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:25 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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there’s zero evidence to suggest it was stolen
There is evidence to suggest it was stolen. The cop identified it as a vehicle he had chased as stolen the day before which fled. Stop lying.
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