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re: 169 Dead, 644 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:24 am to idlewatcher
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:24 am to idlewatcher
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Shift those goalposts boy!
I'm not even vaccinated lol, I just understand statistics
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:24 am to hubertcumberdale
Boy that J&J turned out to be a dud.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:28 am to LSUFanHouston
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Boy that J&J turned out to be a dud.
You would think the Chinese Vax would be better than 50% considering theyre the ones who made it in the first place.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:29 am to dstone12
"According to data updated Wednesday by the Illinois Department of Public Health, 169 people in Illinois have died due to COVID-19 or complications after being fully vaccinated. That figure equates to 2.44% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said."
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:31 am to Jjdoc
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That figure equates to 2.44% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said.
And here it is, folks. This is the trick they've all been using to mask breakthrough cases. They go back all the way to January and use this as the denominator - knowing full well that vaccination rates were virtually zero until the late Spring.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:31 am to Nurbis
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That figure equates to 2.44% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said.
Multiply this number by 10 and its still a win for vaccines. The confirmation bias is very strong on this board
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:32 am to hubertcumberdale
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You would think the Chinese Vax would be better than 50% considering theyre the ones who made it in the first place.
If they knew what they were doing, it wouldn't have gotten out of the lab in the first place.
It would have been saved and put on the edge of a bomb.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:34 am to Vacherie Saint
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They go back all the way to January and use this as the denominator - knowing full well that vaccination rates were virtually zero until the late Spring.
High-risk people were getting vaccinated just before Christmas... and those are the ones most likely to die from COVID.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:35 am to Jjdoc
The shift on this board from "the severity of COVID is overinflated" to "vaccines don't work because its literally killing the vaccinated" has been entertaining.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:35 am to hubertcumberdale
These are efficacy rates from vaccine manufacturer's clinical trials. Its about as rosey a picture as one could give.
The actual "vaccine effectiveness", an entirely different metric according to the CDC, measures actual practical efficacy of the vaccines in public use. This number, based on most data coming from Europe and other nations where this data is shared, is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the efficacy rates shown in your graph. When a reporter asked Raggedy Jen why they wont let the CDC report the actual effectiveness rates of the vaccine, here response was; "why do you need to see that?"
The actual "vaccine effectiveness", an entirely different metric according to the CDC, measures actual practical efficacy of the vaccines in public use. This number, based on most data coming from Europe and other nations where this data is shared, is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the efficacy rates shown in your graph. When a reporter asked Raggedy Jen why they wont let the CDC report the actual effectiveness rates of the vaccine, here response was; "why do you need to see that?"
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:36 am to hubertcumberdale
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That’s a poorly titled graphic.
Effectiveness and efficacy are two different things. They even mention efficacy in the points in the fine print.
Efficacy at trial is always higher than effectiveness out in the wild. The efficacy numbers have a false sense of hope to begin with.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:39 am to Jjdoc
6,417,726 fully vaccinated in Illinois - 160 died = 0.00249%
In June, 87% of new cases, 86.5% of new hospitalizations and 89.6% of new deaths were among those either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated.
6,252,274 unvaccinated in Illinois - 100% - 89.6% = 10.4%
160 / 10.4 = 15.384
15.384 x 89.6 = 1,378
1378 / 6,252,274% = 0.022%
0.022 / 0.00249% = 883.53% greater chance of dying by being unvaccinated.
Just pointing out, while these breakthrough cases are concerning, there appears to be a much greater chance of death from contracting Covid as an unvaccinated individual than if you are vaccinated.
In June, 87% of new cases, 86.5% of new hospitalizations and 89.6% of new deaths were among those either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated.
6,252,274 unvaccinated in Illinois - 100% - 89.6% = 10.4%
160 / 10.4 = 15.384
15.384 x 89.6 = 1,378
1378 / 6,252,274% = 0.022%
0.022 / 0.00249% = 883.53% greater chance of dying by being unvaccinated.
Just pointing out, while these breakthrough cases are concerning, there appears to be a much greater chance of death from contracting Covid as an unvaccinated individual than if you are vaccinated.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:41 am to 14&Counting
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How many got shot and how many killed in Chicago last month?
169 Dead, 644 Hospitalized
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:41 am to Sasquatch Smash
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That’s a poorly titled graphic.
Effectiveness and efficacy are two different things. They even mention efficacy in the points in the fine print.
Efficacy at trial is always higher than effectiveness out in the wild. The efficacy numbers have a false sense of hope to begin with
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The powerful protection offered by Moderna’s Covid vaccine does not wane in the first six months after the second dose, according to a statement released by the company on Thursday morning in advance of its earnings call.
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“We are pleased that our Covid-19 vaccine is showing durable efficacy of 93 percent through six months, but recognize that the Delta variant is a significant new threat so we must remain vigilant,” Stéphane Bancel, the chief executive officer of Moderna, said in the statement.
The trial found that the vaccine’s efficacy against severe Covid-19 was 98.2 percent. While three of the volunteers who received a placebo died of Covid-19, none of the vaccinated volunteers did.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:41 am to HubbaBubba
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Just pointing out, while these breakthrough cases are concerning, there appears to be a much greater chance of death from contracting Covid as an unvaccinated individual than if you are vaccinated.
This board loves to tout percentages and then conveniently leaves out overwhelming percentages in cases of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:44 am to LSUFanHouston
So? Full vaccination rates were still below 20% into April. Virtually everyone in hospitals with covid, even through May, were not going to be fully vaccinated just based on raw numbers. This is deceitful AF and you know it. Its the numbers we are seeing now that matter.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:45 am to Olric
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Multiply this number by 10 and its still a win for vaccines. The confirmation bias is very strong on this board
Why the hell would over 20% be a win for someone that has a 0.03% chance of dying from this all the way back a year ago before we got better at treating it while knowing nothing about the long term affects of the vaccine when it has not existed for a year yet?
Is it worth increasing your Covid survival rate by 0.01% only to find out 5 years later that it will increase your cancer rate by 2%. I mean we are just now allowing everyone to sue for cancer issues for Roundup and talcum powder and they have been around how long?
Not allowing people to do their own calculations on this minimum risks is insane. If this was an Ebola like disease then I would get it being a bigger issue.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:46 am to GhostOfFreedom
A virus, to be specific. And the govt goons were in bed with the vaccine creators from the outset.
Complete with lockdowns/ curfews
Complete with lockdowns/ curfews
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:46 am to Jjdoc
'this is a good death'
As long as you're vaccinated when it happened.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:47 am to Lsuhoohoo
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The shift on this board from "the severity of COVID is overinflated" to "vaccines don't work because its literally killing the vaccinated" has been entertaining.
The severity of COVID can be overly inflated, and the vaccine can be nowhere near as effective as promised, all at the same time, broski. They are not mutually exclusive.
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