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re: 12 year worldwide meta-analysis study revealed Chemotherapy has a 97% failure rate.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:21 am to Ailsa
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:21 am to Ailsa
Oh is this where we’re going to take an anecdote and make sweeping generalizations and talk out of our asses…Cool
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 11:24 am
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:23 am to Flats
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That’s nothing. In the 70s a guy designed a carburetor that got 100 mpg. Big oil bought the patent from him and buried it so nobody else could replicate his work.
No disrespect but this statement is flawed on many different levels.
Patents are by definition public documents. You can look up any US patent.
Patents also require an enabling disclosure so that anyone that reads the patent must be able to understand how to practice the invention.
Patents cannot be "buried". Anyone can read the patent and "replicate[d] his work".
One of the key purposes of the patent system is so that other smart people will see the patent and design around the patent claims. Society benefits from better ideas.
At that time, patents had a 17 year term. Even if someone was concerned about getting sued for patent infringement by the new owner of the patent ("Big Oil"), the invention would have been in the public domain by the 1990's at the latest.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:45 pm to Speckhunter2012
“ Ivermectin has been shown to prevent and possibly cure some cancers”.
From what I’ve read and anecdotal stories ivermectin seems to have some benefit as an adjunct but not as a primary treatment.
As for as it being a preventative ,there is absolutely no way to prove that.
There is a genetic basis for cancer.My dad was 1 of 9 children,counting my grandparents,11 people.Not 1 case of cancer.36 grandchildren and only 2 cases of cancer besides 1 cousin that was a chain smoker and died of lung cancer.On a stastical basis should have been at least 9 cases of cancer.The grandchildren are getting up in age,50’s -70’s(I’m 75,3 older than me).We’re at the age cancer should be popping up,hasn’t happened yet.
On mother’s side,3 children and only 6 grandchildren.Counting grandparents 11 people and not 1 case of cancer ,again except for uncle that was heavy smoker for many years,got lung cancer.
Wife’s family is a different story,her father and both of his sisters had colon cancer,2 died.Wife is one of 4 children,a brother has had colon and prostate cancer,her sister had endometrial cancer.She has 7 cousins and I know a couple of them have had cancer.
Very little heart disease either,out of all those people,only 2 heart attacks.
I think I won the genetic lottery.
From what I’ve read and anecdotal stories ivermectin seems to have some benefit as an adjunct but not as a primary treatment.
As for as it being a preventative ,there is absolutely no way to prove that.
There is a genetic basis for cancer.My dad was 1 of 9 children,counting my grandparents,11 people.Not 1 case of cancer.36 grandchildren and only 2 cases of cancer besides 1 cousin that was a chain smoker and died of lung cancer.On a stastical basis should have been at least 9 cases of cancer.The grandchildren are getting up in age,50’s -70’s(I’m 75,3 older than me).We’re at the age cancer should be popping up,hasn’t happened yet.
On mother’s side,3 children and only 6 grandchildren.Counting grandparents 11 people and not 1 case of cancer ,again except for uncle that was heavy smoker for many years,got lung cancer.
Wife’s family is a different story,her father and both of his sisters had colon cancer,2 died.Wife is one of 4 children,a brother has had colon and prostate cancer,her sister had endometrial cancer.She has 7 cousins and I know a couple of them have had cancer.
Very little heart disease either,out of all those people,only 2 heart attacks.
I think I won the genetic lottery.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:16 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
My read is that Flats was riffing on the familiar “buried breakthrough” thread storyline rather than endorsing it, sort of pointing out how these claims tend to cluster (secret cancer cures, miracle carburetors, etc).
That said, your breakdown of patents is useful because it shows why these stories don’t map well onto how innovation processes (be they for carburetors or chemo) actually function. It’s a nice example of how sometimes we’re debating narratives as much as facts.
That said, your breakdown of patents is useful because it shows why these stories don’t map well onto how innovation processes (be they for carburetors or chemo) actually function. It’s a nice example of how sometimes we’re debating narratives as much as facts.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:23 pm to Ailsa
The description in the videoof the study isn’t detailed enough to allow a fair evaluation.
If chemo was ever something I had to consider, I’d rely on the judgment of medical professionals I trust…
If chemo was ever something I had to consider, I’d rely on the judgment of medical professionals I trust…
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:28 pm to LSUA 75
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I think I won the genetic lottery.
Yes, you did.
Rodo
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:35 pm to Ailsa
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Chemotherapy has a 97% failure rate.
But it fails much slower than no Chemo in most cases.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:43 pm to Ailsa
'splain to me, Lucy, what a 97% failure rate means. Take me for example: I underwent six months of chemo in 2000, and my cancer has never returned. Was I in the 97% failure group because maybe I didn't need chemo, or was I in the 3% success group since I have had no recurrence of cancer?
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:45 pm to Ailsa
That woman is a fricking quack
I mean look at her
I mean look at her
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:53 pm to phaz
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Well, I guess that makes me a 3%er, saved my life
Me too, Stage 4
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:54 pm to Cosmo
The Naturopathy crowd. Might as well go to the Burzynski Clinic and try their sheep piss.
Rodo
Rodo
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:54 pm to Ailsa
quote:But death is undefeated. Surgery and chemo gave my brother in law 17 years that he would not have had had he not taken chemo. The chemo more than likely caused a form of leukemia that finally got him but I think this family is thankful for those years. Meta-analyses are too laborious for me to go through but I guess I trust the results but I would submit, yes, they do it for money but that's not the only reason and I've worked with some very good oncologists who take the deaths of their patients almost as hard as the family does.
Chemotherapy has a 97% failure rate.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:04 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Patents are by definition public documents. You can look up any US patent.
Patents also require an enabling disclosure so that anyone that reads the patent must be able to understand how to practice the invention.
Patents cannot be "buried". Anyone can read the patent and "replicate[d] his work".
One of the key purposes of the patent system is so that other smart people will see the patent and design around the patent claims. Society benefits from better ideas.
At that time, patents had a 17 year term. Even if someone was concerned about getting sued for patent infringement by the new owner of the patent ("Big Oil"), the invention would have been in the public domain by the 1990's at the latest.
You act like you know what you're talking about, but what you don't know is that the guy who invented this 100 mpg carburetor was ALSO the guy who drank Coke and ate Pop Rocks at the same time—that's what everybody gets wrong about the story. The story is that it was a kid and that it blew his stomach up, but it was an adult and what the doctors really said is that if he had been a kid it would have blown his stomach up, but since he was a grown-arse man he pulled through.
And of course, that's what gave him the idea for the carburetor.
The other thing that people don't know about this is that Big Oil is not what killed the idea. I'll explain.
First of all, this guy was kind of famous in his area. He uncovered a ring of people putting razor blades in Halloween candy when he was 10.
When he was 16 he was driving behind a girl with an unknown killer in the backseat...she didn't know he was there. But every time she would raise up he would honk his horn and the guy behind her would duck down again.
Eventually she pulled off at a gas station because she thought he was harassing her and they found the killer in the backseat, so that was the second time he was a hero.
The third time was a year later when he observed gang members flashing their lights at passing cars—this was a common gang initiation back then; you flash your highbeams and whoever flashes back, you stop and kill them. He exposed that practice at only 17.
Later that same year he and his girlfriend narrowly survived an attack by an escaped lunatic who had a hook for a hand while they were making out in the local lover's lane. Drove off with that hook caught right in the door handle.
(That girlfriend later almost bought it two other times—once she was babysitting and kept getting threatening calls and police finally traced the call and figured out it was coming from inside the house. The other time she was lying on a bed dangling her arm off the side and there was a killer underneath the bed. She thought it was the family dog because he kept licking her hand, but they later found the dog killed.)
Anyway, the carburetor. When he was only 21 he designed that carburetor from his Pop Rocks experience and was all set to begin manufacturing it when he went to New Orleans to celebrate. Someone drugged him in a bar, harvested his kidneys and liver while he was unconscious, and he woke up in a hotel room packed in ice with the phone left beside him. Unfortunately, he didn't make it.
Now you might be thinking to yourself, "Well why didn't someone else just take the idea and run with it?" Good question. The guy only trusted one other person in the world; his best friend who had a degree in mechanical engineering. This guy had all the technical plans for the carburetor, and he had them with him in New York City on the same day his friend was having his organs harvested in New Orleans.
He went to the mall to get a new tie for the product launch and when he came out he failed to check underneath his car. There was a robber lying underneath the car who used a razor to slit his Achilles tendons when he approach the car.
Unable to move, he was attacked by and eaten by an alligator that someone had flushed down the toilet years earlier and that had grown into a giant 30 foot reptilian beast roaming through the sewers of NYC, and the robber took off with the car (and the plans). Unable to read technical plans, he probably just tossed them out, and that's why we don't have a 100 mpg carburetor today.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:18 pm to wackatimesthree
I was the guy that flushed the baby gator. Still feel bad about it.
Rodo
Rodo
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:11 pm to Ailsa
I’m willing to bet that if Dr. Peter Glidden is diagnosed with cancer he’ll take the chemo.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 6:03 pm to Ailsa
It’s true that doctors often err on the side of action. I think that’s different than what I posted, which was about secret cures that evl people are hiding because they make money on the current system.
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