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Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:26 pm to Fourteen28
I’d support 15. We typically don’t take in more than 20-25 with 2 people.
Last weekend we did 6 reds one trip and 14 trout the next. Both trips were just enough fun and plenty of meat.
I’m not against the 25 limit though.
Last weekend we did 6 reds one trip and 14 trout the next. Both trips were just enough fun and plenty of meat.
I’m not against the 25 limit though.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:40 pm to Tigerhead
That's a fact
Big lake's "trophy" trout all hit the ice
Big lake's "trophy" trout all hit the ice
Posted on 9/19/18 at 10:15 pm to Fourteen28
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Would a 10 fish limit on specks be so bad?
Not at all...but I live in SW Fla where the limit is 4, and there are 15-20 inch slot limits.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 10:43 pm to stuntman
It’s been a 25 fish limit for a long arse time and LA is still the best inshore fishing in the world so I’m good with it.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 5:33 am to PapaPogey
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With the price of boats, gas, bait, and gear,
I'm not going to pick a side in the argument, but I will go out on a limb and say this should have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Who cares what you decide to spend to do the hobby? What is good for the hobby and ecosystem itself is the question.
Again, I'm not well versed enough in the studies, so not going to state my opinion. Just that cost should not be a factor.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:06 am to KG6
My self imposed limit is however many trout I have in the boat at 10am / how hot it is/ how may beers I've had already X what I have to do the rest of the day X tidal movement.
if the fishery can support it , I'm all about it.
if the fishery can support it , I'm all about it.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:16 am to down time
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That's a fact
Big lake's "trophy" trout all hit the ice
You're telling me only certain fish can reach trophy size, and all of those have been caught?
If that were the case (and it's not), then reducing the limit is pointless because it's not going to amount in trophy fish.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:20 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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I’d support 15. We typically don’t take in more than 20-25 with 2 people
so you want everyone else to reduce what they catch because you aren't good at catching?
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:08 am to The Last Coco
quote:The two definitely feed differently enough for this to happen.
As an aside, you commented previously about trolling cranks for slabs that you didnt think it was applicable for you since you primarily caught blacks. And I'll be dammed if I didnt catch a single black on cranks this summer amidst the whites, op cats, channels, sand bass, saugeye and bass that I did catch on cranks. So I think you're right there. /hijack
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:59 am to maisweh
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so you want everyone else to reduce what they catch because you aren't good at catching?
Many people don't keep all the fish they catch. I never kept more than 2 reds per weekend (at the time I fished at least once a week). That was 4 big slabs of fish to grill. With myself and the wife, that's fish 2 nights a week. Was enough and no reason to keep more. That doesn't mean I'm against the 5 fish limit.....just that in my personal situation, there was no reason for me to kill 3 additional fish. There are definitely way too many people filling up zip lock bags of fish, freezing them, then throwing it away in 2 years when they didn't eat it all and it got freezer burnt. Not saying everyone does it, but a lot of people do.
Again, none of that really has any affect on whether the 25 fish limit is an issue. In fact, if more people were realistic with the amount of fish they really needed to keep, it make it easier to keep limits high for those trips where you really do want to make a meat haul (big family fish fry, 2 trip a year type fisherman, etc.)
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:01 am to Cowboyfan89
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You're telling me only certain fish can reach trophy size, and all of those have been caught?
I'm not a biologist, but I assume all female trout can grow to at least the lower end of the "trophy" size and weight. So to answer your question, yes, only certain fish can reach trophy size. The females. And I suspect, just like humans, only certain females have the right genes to reach the 9 to 10 lb class. They also have to survive long enough to get there.
In my post I said that all of the big fish have not been caught. You can still catch big fish in BL. But to me, it's no different than eating a bag of M&Ms and you start picking out the red ones. Sooner or later it gets hard to find another red M&M.....lol. And you will never find a red M&M fishing the birds.
The other theory I've heard is that there was a freeze kill. Freezes supposedly effect the big fish the most. If that truly happened I think it would be an unusual event for BL. Quick access to the ship channel's deeper, warmer waters has always protected BL from major freeze kills. The ice storm that hit that area several years ago didn't have a significant impact.
I'm still seeing plenty of food fish/shrimp in BL. Loss of habitat/oyster reefs certainly makes it harder to know where to fish. But IMO big fish depletion by trophy fishermen, combined with a tremendous increase in fishing pressure has had the greatest impact on the numbers of big fish.
I would have no problem with a 10 fish limit but agree that a 15 on BL and 25 elsewhere doesn't seem to be a problem.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:24 am to Cowboyfan89
Yes, certain ones (alive ones) can reach trophy size.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:32 am to The Last Coco
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Studies show that the average catch per trip is fewer than five fish.
I feel like me and ClassicGold might be single-handedly responsible for this average being so low. Especially, at Calcasieu.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:34 am to donRANDOMnumbers
I don't have my own boat to go, so I get to go once or twice a year. I can easily eat two speck filets per dinner, so that would mean I could only eat speckled trout 7.5 times over the period of a year (and possibly still be hungry). What if the gf wants to eat? Now I'm down to eating it four or five times a year. frick that.
It doesn't matter to me how much fish is enough for you. The fishery can support people taking 25, so I'll do it if I can
It doesn't matter to me how much fish is enough for you. The fishery can support people taking 25, so I'll do it if I can
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:55 am to YOURADHERE
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Reducing the limit would likely result in no changes to trophy trout caught as Louisiana doesn't have the high salinity levels of Texas and Florida, which is what big trout need.
Serious question: do trout stop growing if the salinity levels are lower? Simple logic would tell you, less fish boated, more fish in the water to grow and/or breed?
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:38 am to KG6
The cost of a trip with a lower limit may get some anglers to hang up the pole. That would mean less revenue for Wildlife and Fisheries. Less money to study and manage the fisheries. So for some to drop $200+ and come home with a handful of fish does not cut it. So if the studies say we are good at 25 go for, but if you only want to keep your set amount go for it!
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:48 am to commode
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The cost of a trip with a lower limit may get some anglers to hang up the pole. That would mean less revenue for Wildlife and Fisheries. Less money to study and manage the fisheries. So for some to drop $200+ and come home with a handful of fish does not cut it. So if the studies say we are good at 25 go for, but if you only want to keep your set amount go for it!
My point was that if there is harm in fishing at the current limit (not saying there is, just as an example), then we shouldn't fight to keep that harmful limit just because weekend warriors spend a lot of money. That's sacrificing our ecosystem for money. Hell I'm in O&G and as an example am willing to admit that we destroyed our marsh for a buck. It's not right.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:50 am to Fourteen28
*still not a scientist*
I believe I read a while back that larger trout can't thrive in lower salinity waters like smaller juvenile trout can, the Texas and Florida coast have much higher salinity levels which is why you see much larger trout from there. Not sure if that's because the lower salinity hinders growth rates/mortality or if larger trout seek out higher salinity and migrate.
Completely different can of worms, the reason above is one of the top reasons Louisiana's state record speckled trout is so heavily questioned, Lake Hermitage doesn't have a high enough salinity level to have supported a trout that large.
I believe I read a while back that larger trout can't thrive in lower salinity waters like smaller juvenile trout can, the Texas and Florida coast have much higher salinity levels which is why you see much larger trout from there. Not sure if that's because the lower salinity hinders growth rates/mortality or if larger trout seek out higher salinity and migrate.
Completely different can of worms, the reason above is one of the top reasons Louisiana's state record speckled trout is so heavily questioned, Lake Hermitage doesn't have a high enough salinity level to have supported a trout that large.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:02 am to commode
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The cost of a trip with a lower limit may get some anglers to hang up the pole.
But this argument doesn't hold water when you take into consideration the fact that the average speckled trout angler catches less than 10.
And FWIW, I am vehemently opposed to lowering the limit until data suggests it would be beneficial. In fact, I would be in favor of raising the limit until we hit a point that it becomes detrimental, a point which we have yet to hit.
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