re: Wolf hunting in Idaho (pic)

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What's sea lion taste like?

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'bout like Seal,

not as tender as baby seal.....

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And having biological balance in the eco system where the the wolf pack was the top predator?

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Is the wolf the top predator in Idaho. Does the ecosystem include domesticated cows. Goddamn you are silly.

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Are you truly this stupid?

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Take your horseshitsomewhere else. Like some garbage on the food board. You are a bore.

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Like protecting man from giant bears and saber toothed cats?

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I have a Judge for that.

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Or being the genetic code for all dog breeds?

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Will the dogs turn to cats now if we shoot every last fricking wolf on the planet.

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Are you truly this stupid?

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They serve no useful purpose. Or are you in need of a dog that doesnt exist or the saber tooth cat is at your door?

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And having biological balance in the eco system

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Please tell me the balance they provide in 2011. Please. And screw you.

So do you suggest we completely wipe a species off of the planet because they are a mild inconvenience to us?

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Please define the predator prey relationship as it relates to the repopulation of the wolf in the 21st century.

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The wolf went extinct from those areas because of overhunting. They were one of the top predators in the food chain (second level carnivores). Before the wolves were gone, everything was in equilibrium. When the wolves disappear, all of the animals they eat have much less pressure and their populations skyrocket. Eventually the ecosystem stabilizes, but all of the wolf prey populations are much higher than they were in the days of the wolf.

Now, we reintroduce wolves into their natural habitat because we feel bad for totally fricking shite up like humans have been known to do throughout history. But this time, these wolves have a nearly limitless food source because with no wolf pressure for so long their prey numbers are really high. So they're breeding like rabbits and are gonna exceed the population level they were at before we started killing them all. This is bad because although the system will return to equilibrium eventually, it will fluctuate a lot before it does so, and the prey populations will drop really low because of all of the wolves eating them. This causes trouble for the prey species as well as other predators that prey on them. So basically it'll frick the whole ecosystem up.

So here we are, and now they've opened a hunting season on wolves in an attempt to stop them from getting out of control and throwing everything off.

Predator-prey relationships just don't go away because it's the 21st century or something. It's a really important aspect of conservation.

This is about as simple as I can explain it and without doing any more research than going from memory of what we looked at in the classes it was discussed in.

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This is about as simple as I can explain it and without doing any more research than going from memory of what we looked at in the classes it was discussed in.

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So you are suggesting that a species that is being described as an apex predator can hinge its very existence on another species, man.

Hmm.

Now, no one questioned what has happened with the wolf populations. I do question, what needful, functional role does this particular species fill.

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I'm not talking from a purely game animal standpoint

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And yet you state...

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When the wolves disappear, all of the animals they eat have much less pressure and their populations skyrocket.

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They don't "skyrocket". They fluctuate...sure. But man has adequately filled the niche of the wolf with regards to regulating their population.

I'm sure wolves eat things that we don't eat.

The reason the wolf population is getting so high there is because there's more food available to them than there was before. Carrying capacity of the environment is higher and all that jazz. Yes they fluctuate, yes skyrocket is an exaggeration, but the amount of prey available is obviously higher.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. The wolf is obsolete? We should just kill them all? Or should we not kill any and let three system stabilize on its own? I think you understand what's going on and I'm not sure what you're arguing.

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I never said restoring equilibrium is why we reintroduced the wolf. We eradicated it, now we're just putting it back.

That rant was an attempt to explain to tiger foot at least to some degree predator-prey relations. Conservation comment wasn't directed at you, you obviously know what you're talking about.

ETAA I said earlier I'd have no qualms with takin out wolves. I like the hunting season idea.

I think we're on the same side here.

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So where's the argument here? I read this whole thing and I'm confused.

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Yea no idea. Tigerfoot just set me off and somehow Colorado and I ended up arguing and I think we're trying to make the same points. Kind of. I'm fricking lost.

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I think they are cool, and beautiful, and support privately funded restoration efforts, but feel that man can and does adequately fill any predator niche they once occupied.

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Why are we arguing?

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