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Will a .380 ACP cartridge fire and cycle out of a Glock 17? Click here to find out!!!
Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:41 am
Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:41 am
nah, but seriously. it's youtube vid. it's pretty interesting.
LINK
if you don't want to watch the vid, it will fire. however, the low pressure from the .380 cartridge isn't strong enough to cycle the gun. it did jam a couple of times.
LINK
if you don't want to watch the vid, it will fire. however, the low pressure from the .380 cartridge isn't strong enough to cycle the gun. it did jam a couple of times.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 8:48 am
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Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:48 am to finchmeister08
With modern day bullets the 380 ACP is all you need. I like the high capacity, low recoil, and I can get the sight back on target very quickly.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:24 am to finchmeister08
"It probably won't cycle."
Don't worry. Most .380's don't cycle in their own guns.
Don't worry. Most .380's don't cycle in their own guns.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:45 am to SabiDojo
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Most .380's don't cycle in their own guns.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:05 am to ctiger69
I like what you are trying to do there but the reality is that even with modern day bullets the 380 does not perform to a universally acceptable degree.
Soo we wil all stick with our 9
Soo we wil all stick with our 9
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:28 am to finchmeister08
Its basically like shooting a .38 out of a .357 magnum. Call me when they stuff a 454 casul in a 45acp.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:38 am to Timmayy
The ballistic advantages of a 9mm over a 380 is negible at best with modern day bullets.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 1:29 pm to ctiger69
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The ballistic advantages of a 9mm over a 380 is negible at best with modern day bullets.
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With modern day bullets the 380 ACP is all you need.
Tell that to the numerous agencies that use the 9mm as their service sidearm. How are you going to define "negligible"? Since you think the 380 is the equal of the 9mm, I'll guess you're advocating for these agencies to replace their 9mm's w/ the 380.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 4/6/18 at 1:45 pm to ctiger69
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The ballistic advantages of a 9mm over a 380 is negible at best with modern day bullets.
Really not the case:
Greg Ellifritz article
These testing show that the .380 fails to expand.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/6/18 at 1:49 pm to ctiger69
Everyone should spend more time looking at the lucky gunner ballistics data lab
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:03 pm to ctiger69
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With modern day bullets the 380 ACP is all you need. I like the high capacity, low recoil, and I can get the sight back on target very quickly.
Get's it
For self defense carry all you need is to get rounds into the perp and clear the immediate area to gain distance/safety. Perp is looking at an easy score, not being shot, so I will take a couple .380 rounds into the perp over maybe one round and four misses of 9mm. Thus getting one into the target (perp) with the potential to get back on target and add additional hits is a better choice IMHO than not being able to get back on target because of the additional recoil from a 9mm small bodied CC weapon.
LEO's carry larger rounds for many reasons....Perps on drugs, multiple perps, chance of a shootout through vehicles where there is an obvious need for more firepower. This isn't the case with Joe Blow walking through a parking lot and getting mugged by some lone POS looking for an easy mark.
Apples and Oranges.
Mind you this discussion is solely based on a CC weapon used in a situation away from the hacienda. Home defense choice is a different subject entirely.
JMHO
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:05 pm to AUTimbo
I can almost damn near gaurantee that put most small framed single stack 380s against a glock 43 or shield and the shield is easier to shoot
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:15 pm to AUTimbo
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LEO's carry larger rounds for many reasons....Perps on drugs, multiple perps, chance of a shootout through vehicles where there is an obvious need for more firepower. This isn't the case with Joe Blow walking through a parking lot and getting mugged by some lone POS looking for an easy mark.
Apples and Oranges.
So you're saying that if I get mugged it will definitely only be one guy, who is not on drugs, and no chance of a shootout through vehicles? Got it. Now I can rest easy.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:22 pm to AUTimbo
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LEO's carry larger rounds for many reasons....Perps on drugs, multiple perps, chance of a shootout through vehicles where there is an obvious need for more firepower. This isn't the case with Joe Blow walking through a parking lot and getting mugged by some lone POS looking for an easy mark.
Apples and Oranges.
Most LEOs practice shooting only to pass their yearly qualifications.
You need to read this
Posted on 4/6/18 at 5:10 pm to finchmeister08
Unfortunately, it looks like your discussion has been hijacked. Nevertheless, I'll continue adding to the hijack. This post is NOT for the benefit of those who think that personal self-defense/concealed carry guns ended w/ the 380 ACP and "modern" (whatever that is and whenever they were developed) rounds; obviously, they'll not be convinced otherwise. OTOH, for those of you who come her looking for information on the topic, I'd suggest you also do your own research of self defense/concealed carry guns. Please include in your research the above link, dawg23's recent thread here about self defense ammo in ballistic gel and the FBI's guidelines and review of self defense ammo. You'll not find many (if any) experts who'll recommend that a 380 ACP should be your primary cc gun. Most will cite the 9mm, 357 Sig, 357 Mag, 40 S&W and 45 ACP as being equally effective. Most will say something along the lines of "shooting the biggest caliber of the group that you can shoot fast (including follow up shots) and shoot well." Do I carry a 380 as my primary cc gun? Yep, but it's only when certain circumstances precluded me from carrying a "bigger" and more effective round. Is the 380 adequate for self defense? Probably, but who can objectively argue that it's as good, or better, than the 9mm? If someone claims it is,I'd like to see the data from a respected expert that backs up that position.
Fortunately, one 380 fan is capable of foreseeing the future and can predict his risks. For those of us who can't predict the future and are willing to carry and shoot a bigger gun, I'd recommend a self defense/cc gun w/ a better track record than the 380.
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LEO's carry larger rounds for many reasons....Perps on drugs, multiple perps, chance of a shootout through vehicles where there is an obvious need for more firepower. This isn't the case with Joe Blow walking through a parking lot and getting mugged by some lone POS looking for an easy mark.
Fortunately, one 380 fan is capable of foreseeing the future and can predict his risks. For those of us who can't predict the future and are willing to carry and shoot a bigger gun, I'd recommend a self defense/cc gun w/ a better track record than the 380.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 5:43 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
OK, yes, alot of presumption on my part in my above post. Guilty as charged.
As the other poster was stating though, the self defense rounds in the smaller calibers do a much better job than rounds for those calibers in the past. Is it going to get the penetration of a 9mm, .38 Special or .40/.45?
Of course not.
Will it do the "probable" job it will be called upon to do, mainly put rounds into a perp/perps allowing the owner to escape the situation.... more than likely. And, more than likely, in an adrenaline jacked situation such as that, it's a damn good probability that more of the rounds expended will find their way into a bad guy than with the other choices, all other things being equal.
Anyone who has not shot a Sig P238, and tells me that they can get the Shield drawn faster and shot more accurately than the Sig, is just wishful thinking. The little gun is perfect for what it does. If one must carry larger my vote would go to an XDS in 9mm or .45 , FWIW I have all three and carry whichever is the most concealable given my choice of attire worn.
As the other poster was stating though, the self defense rounds in the smaller calibers do a much better job than rounds for those calibers in the past. Is it going to get the penetration of a 9mm, .38 Special or .40/.45?
Of course not.
Will it do the "probable" job it will be called upon to do, mainly put rounds into a perp/perps allowing the owner to escape the situation.... more than likely. And, more than likely, in an adrenaline jacked situation such as that, it's a damn good probability that more of the rounds expended will find their way into a bad guy than with the other choices, all other things being equal.
Anyone who has not shot a Sig P238, and tells me that they can get the Shield drawn faster and shot more accurately than the Sig, is just wishful thinking. The little gun is perfect for what it does. If one must carry larger my vote would go to an XDS in 9mm or .45 , FWIW I have all three and carry whichever is the most concealable given my choice of attire worn.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 6:33 pm to AUTimbo
Except for the fact that the sig requires being carried cocked and locked. Also the sig is not known for the same reliablity as the shield.
Please go as I advised and look at the ballistic data on lucky gunnner you will see that of the many tested very few actually meet the minimum standards of the fbi and of those the meeting is so haphazard and paultty I do not believe it acceptable
Please go as I advised and look at the ballistic data on lucky gunnner you will see that of the many tested very few actually meet the minimum standards of the fbi and of those the meeting is so haphazard and paultty I do not believe it acceptable
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:50 pm to AUTimbo
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Anyone who has not shot a Sig P238, and tells me that they can get the Shield drawn faster and shot more accurately than the Sig, is just wishful thinking. The little gun is perfect for what it does. If one must carry larger my vote would go to an XDS in 9mm or .45 , FWIW I have all three and carry whichever is the most concealable given my choice of attire worn.
I have all three also and shoot the P238 almost as good as my G23. Only problem I see with .380 is round capacity.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:58 pm to skuter
I like my G23 accuracy. Say what you want about ballistics but it is very accurate and the pop isnt that bad. I pocket carry 9mm daily but if I really want to get my bread and butter its my G23 that nails tacks with putting bullets holes in bullet holes when training. Sometimes i shoot paper with 13 rounds and there are only 6-7 holes
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