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re: Why did alligator prices drop

Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:52 am to
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:52 am to
I know what you're thinking. Still looking at giraffe pussy levels.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:20 am to
gator farms.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:21 am to
Because everybody and his brother is now an alligator hunter and the supply has started to outpace the demand?
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:25 am to
quote:

gator farms.



could you be a wee bit more specific, also have you had any made?
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:12 am to
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People were bidding 70%+ for state tags, meaning they would pay the state 70% of hide profits while they were making their money off of the people they brought on the "guided hunts."


We were outbid on tags several years ago. Someone bid 100% for state tags. This was a couple years after swamp people had aired.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:33 am to
Such bullshite that the state didn't step up and curtail that shite. They wanted their $$$$$$
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:42 am to
It was for Lake Bouef. I am pretty sure the two Indians from swamp people picked up those tags and I never saw a one alligator line in there that year. Now my dad just gets 2 tags for his own property. It really isn't worth the little bit of money that the skins are going for. You can make a little bit on money in the meat though.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 10:43 am
Posted by Sonny Crockett
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 7:56 am to
The real reason is alligator farms. Meat is cheaper and the hides are softer. No real need for wild gators at this point in time.
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:20 am to
Which fricking sucks, there are way too many wild alligators out there now.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5282 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:25 am to
alligator farms.
Posted by Boat Motor Bandit
Member since Jun 2016
1891 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:27 am to
About 10 to 12 years ago the market for fur and hide industry in general went down hill with a ACT that the government got into with several other countries. This opened up fur and hide trading with the likes of China, Russia, Mexico and a few other South American countries. It was the beginning of the end. Fur and hide production in USA is actually down about 40% across the board because of our market getting flooded with cheaper imports.
Posted by Jvalhenson
Member since Sep 2017
378 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:33 am to
when we first started gator hunting in MS with the draw hunts several years ago we would bring a 10ft gator to LA and get $300+ dollars for it.......this year that was more like $50 so we didnt even bring them over to sell just cleaned outselved and eating them here. Dried the heads and tossed the hides. Dern shame but it was gonna cost us more to drive them to the buyer than what we would get to sell em so i guess we just doing it for fun and meat now......and it is dern FUN.
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:48 am to
When I was a kid we ran lines for alligators and gathered eggs which is where the real money is/was. However those complaining about decrease in price need to go back to the 70’s. We were getting like $75/foot back then. Jaw meat brought high dollar also. Then PETA got involved and trade overseas opened and the bottom fell out. We trapped enough alligators back then Troy Landry money couldn’t be get me to trap another gator.

It’s hot and miserable shitty rotten bait and stinking alligators are the picture I have in my mind. Y’all can have it especially at today’s prices. Gathering eggs that’s a different story all together that is FUN!
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
994 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:07 am to
I remember my dad making more money on the weekends trapping coons than he did working all week. But that was in the 80's. He would pay me a dollar a hide to tube em out. I bought a bunch of 22 bullets with that money. He sold the hides and the meat. A big boar would bring 30 bucks. Now we are over run with coons because no one kills them anymore.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:55 am to
Doesn't the number of tags issued by the state depend on an annual population survey/estimate? It seems like if the population has been increasing, more tags would be issued, more alligators would be taken and more hides would hit the market.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

When I was a kid we ran lines for alligators and gathered eggs which is where the real money is/was.

Gathering eggs that’s a different story all together that is FUN!


Who did you sell the eggs to?

Gathering the eggs seems like an adventure. Not sure how you did it back in the day. One farm I visited uses an ultralight aircraft to look for nests. They mark the area with long bamboo poles with a piece of survey ribbon on them. An airboat goes to the pole and then finds the nest. One guy digs while the other watches out for mama. They mark the tops of the eggs and collect them.

When they incubated them, they can make the egg produce a male or female by adjusting the temperature a few degrees. I thought that was pretty neat. They return a predetermined percentage back to the wild. It pretty low, like 8% or 10%, but I think that number is related to normal alligator infant mortality.

I toured the place with my out of state nephews, thinking they would enjoy it. They did, but I liked it as much as they did. It was really interesting.
Posted by AP83
Cottonport
Member since Sep 2009
2816 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:47 pm to
That really has nothing to do with it. How would guided hunts make the price of alligators for trappers go down? It has a lot more to do with the market wanting the blemish free gators from all the farms popping up.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 7:50 pm to
Yep. 30 yrs ago it was $50.00 a foot.
Posted by Triggerr
Member since Jul 2013
1966 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:14 am to
Alligator farming operations and large worldwide companies such as Hermes getting in the game and buying up farms, , tanning operations producing for themselves etc drive the price down of wild gators. Eggs used to be pretty good, but a guy screwed with the market by artificially running numbers up and I think even those prices are crap now
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19459 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:12 am to
That is exactly how we did it in madisonville growing up. I’ve been in the ultralight, in the airboat, and the one digging up the eggs before. My dads friend had the permits, he just brought us kids along so we could have some fun.

It’s an adrenaline rush for sure when mama comes charging out the marsh grass and you gotta haul your arse backing the air boat as fast as you can

We’ve had nests where mama never even showed up and we had nests where it didn’t matter what we tried she was charging us repeatedly

Also it was fun as hell knowing where the nests were so we could come back during teal season after teal hunts and catch little bitty baby alligators for our fish tanks at home
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:16 am
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