re: Which one of you Baws had your 200# Tuna taken by Mr Green Jeans?

Don’t see why GJs are the dicks here. The charter captain should get his arse whipped for not being in compliance.

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Don’t see why GJs are the dicks here. The charter captain should get his arse whipped for not being in compliance.

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Because from outside looking in the clients did do shite wrong.

They booked a trip with a jackass. You don’t have proper licenses, you don’t get to keep the fish. Feel bad for the guy but not GJ’s problem.

Way too many spillionaire’s with lodges and yellowfins with pretty websites. That’s your problem.

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Because from outside looking in the clients did do shite wrong

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Correct,, it would be about like paying for a hunt only to find that the property was not owned/leased by the outfitter and getting a ticket and your deer confiscated.
Should a person confirm lease or deed!? I assume when I book that it’s all legal, and if the case is like they claim then they should contact the Better business bureau and get their money back and 400 cans of tuna as restitution

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The tuna was caught and harvested under illegal circumstances. They were doing their job.

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They could have split it with the chaterers!

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And neither did the GJs. The tuna was caught and harvested under illegal circumstances. They were doing their job.

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My point is if the clients were legal, let them have the fish. Fine the hell out of the "guide".

no permit possibly...


ROLP...

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would be about like paying for a hunt only to find that the property was not owned/leased by the outfitter and getting a ticket and your deer confiscated.

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This happened to a buddy of mine. This was before the OnX apps and all that came out. He was hunting with an outfitter on the Missouri Iowa line. And he had a Missouri tag. And it's all remote country and gravel roads. And on like Day 3 this guy puts him on a stand. And he noticed in the dark that they drove North for 4 or 5 miles. So he figured he was at least close to the line. But it was a Don't Ask, Don't Tell type situation.

Anyhow he killed a deer. And put his Missouri tag on it. And all we well. Until about 6 months later.

He gets a knock on his door (in Memphis) and it's a TN Game Warden, a TN State Trooper, an Iowa Game Warden, a Missouri Game Warden. And a Federal Game Warden.

The Fed has been undercover in the camp at the same time he was hunting. Had a GPS tracker on this outfitter's truck. Had been building a case against this guy for three years. And my buddy got caught up in the shite storm.

Anyhow, he came totally clean. Gave them the set of horns. Gave a full statement. Just told the truth and said he didn't know where he was hunting. Hoped they would cut him some slack. They actually told him: "We are not after you. We're building a case against this dirty outfitter. We need your testimony."

So he thought they would let him off. And they would have. If the outfitter had gone to court. But the outfitter pled guilty. So they no longer needed his testimony. So they turned around and used his statement to prosecute him too.

TLDR: Never talk to or corporate with the Feds.

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This would be messed up if true. What I don’t understand is how they won a case against him when he would have testified to hunting where the outfitter put him and having no knowledge that he was in another state. Was he found not guilty?

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He plead guilty because they offered him a $5000 fine and loss of Out of State hunting privileges for 2 years. But he negotiated to be allowed to hunt his farm in MS without interruption. So he took the deal. No skin off his back. He would have had to pay a lawyer $5000 to take his case. And then spend basically a week off work in Iowa during his trial. Way cheaper to plead guilty.

The lesson here is how they did it. They knocked on his door in a driving rain storm. 9 o'clock at night. He opens the door to like 5 guys in uniforms and rain slickers. And the undercover guy opens the conversation by saying: "Good evening Dr XXX, do you recognize me?"

He should have immediately shut the door in their face. Like: frick you. Call my lawyer. I don't have anything to say.

But he didn't. He let them come into his living room. And he started off by defending himself saying: "I didn't know where I was hunting" And they said: "We can prove that you knew exactly where you were hunting. So, do you want to cooperate with us or not?"

And they said they really only wanted two things

1) A statement saying that he hunted with this outfitter on these dates, and that he killed a deer, and that he put a Missouri tag on the deer. (Nothing about the location of the kill).

2) that he would surrender the horns as a sign of cooperation so they could use the horns as evidence.

And he didn't give a frick about the horns. And the facts in item #1 were all factual and correct.

And they said: "we may need you to testify. If you do testify, you're gonna want to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will insist on immunity in exchange for your testimony. We will be happy to grant you that immunity. We will work the details out with your lawyer."

But he never thought of a scenario where the outfitter pleads guilty. And they no longer need his testimony. So the bottom line is that they bring this 3 year undercover investigation to the US Attorney. And they have a gran total of one arrest to show for it. One guilty plea.

And the US Attorney blows his lid. And basically says: "I didn't authorize all this travel, and overtime, and undercover work, and all this bullshite for one single arrest! Go get me more arrests!!"

So they had to go back through the files and charge everyone they could.

At the end of the day, it was some stress, but really it didn't effect his life. Writing that $5000 check felt like winning the lottery. He was so relieved.