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Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:34 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:I don't think you're calling me a liar, but here.
I've never had a deer run when shot through both shoulders. They instantly DRT. Behind the shoulders they usually run.
Might be hard to see but behind the privet twig is the tiny entry hole, both front leg/shoulder was broken from the shot. It wasn't a perfect shot, but it was a lethal heart shot.
quote:Maybe you missed where I said I don't think kids should shoot past 125 yards, in which case the energy between a 243 and a 30-30 or 360 buckhammer is negligible, being the same to a couple hundred pounds less. By a kid, I'm not talking about a post pubescent 14-50yo with a mustache, a shaky 9-10yo doesn't need to be throwing 243 rounds or any other round 200+ yards, its only going to increase the chance of putting a bad shot on a deer.
Velocity makes energy. The 243 will have 400lb to 500lb more energy at 200yds than any of those calibers in your chart.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:41 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:
6.5CM is still better than a 243 though.
How? 243 has killed tons of deer and still does today. It's not better than a 243 at killing deer. It's only better if you are shooting paper at 1000yds. 98% of people that own one probably won't ever shoot past 300yds. The 243 will kill deer at 300yds all day long just like the 6.5.
Exactly this. The board needs a rubric every time someone makes a subjective claim of "better." Better how? Effective range? Velocity? Flatness? Knock-down? Recoil? Blood trail? Fancy ammo? Ammo availability? Ammo price? Gun Price? Tacti- cool? Cures Erectile Dysfunction?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:55 pm to Citica8
quote:
don't think you're calling me a liar, but here.
Nope, I just never experienced it.
quote:
Maybe you missed where I said I don't think kids should shoot past 125 yards, in which case the energy between a 243 and a 30-30 or 360 buckhammer is negligible, being the same to a couple hundred pounds less. By a kid, I'm not talking about a post pubescent 14-50yo with a mustache, a shaky 9-10yo doesn't need to be throwing 243 rounds or any other round 200+ yards, its only going to increase the chance of putting a bad shot on a deer.
My son killed his first deer last year. 10 years old, 220 yds, perfect shot. Deer ran 10 yds. 270win
It was on a power line and he watched them for 10 minutes until he wasn't nervous. I'd let him shoot that all day long.
He shoots my 7mm rem mag at 200yds and he'd easily put that bullet in the right place.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:59 pm to saintsfan1977
From my experience, kids once experienced are better shots than adults
Far steadier hand
I think the more shots, the more misses, bad breaks, etc weigh on your mind and everything else. Kids don’t have that
Kinda like how pro golfers almost always get worse at putting as they age
Far steadier hand
I think the more shots, the more misses, bad breaks, etc weigh on your mind and everything else. Kids don’t have that
Kinda like how pro golfers almost always get worse at putting as they age
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 2:07 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:
My son killed his first deer last year. 10 years old, 220 yds, perfect shot. Deer ran 10 yds. 270win It was on a power line and he watched them for 10 minutes until he wasn't nervous. I'd let him shoot that all day long. He shoots my 7mm rem mag at 200yds and he'd easily put that bullet in the right place
Yeah saying kids is such a generalization!!
I know a ton of kids myself included tbat were stacking deer before they were 10-12 at all kinds of ranges out o 350yd.
The problem is the lack of experience and then the cartridge. A ton of new shooters/kids/woman start hunting so everyone says get a 243 get a 6.5.
New shooter gets in stand never shot more than a box of shells if that they see the first deer of their life and they hurry up and sling one!!
It wouldn’t have mattered if they were shooting a howitzer they were not gonna kill that deer but because they were shooting a 243/6.5 it’s the guns fault.
I’m about to to go get on the stand in a lil while I pulled my 6.5 out for the first time this year just hoping to post some terminal performance pics!!
Posted on 1/10/25 at 2:32 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:
Nope, I just never experienced it.
All good, it was already in the Imgur folder from last year. quote:First, it sounds like you have a rare 10yo in this day and age, but it also sounds like you're doing something a lot of people are not, which is shooting at paper ahead of time. Hats off to you
My son killed his first deer last year. 10 years old, 220 yds, perfect shot. Deer ran 10 yds. 270win
It was on a power line and he watched them for 10 minutes until he wasn't nervous. I'd let him shoot that all day long.
He shoots my 7mm rem mag at 200yds and he'd easily put that bullet in the right place.
Second, this is not a law I'm trying to get passed, it's my own personal generalization. Hell, I'd like to put a half our group in their 70s and 80s on the same 100yd limit and switch to a 30-30 350 legend of 360 buckhammer.
I was in a handful of decent sized clubs since I started hunting. I can't count the number of hours I've spent with a headlamp on looking for lil johnny's first deer on the business end of a 243 that they shot at 150-175 yards, not really sure where it was standing, after they already trounced through the woods looking for blood, to either find the deer very close, or to jump the deer 6 times over the course of a few hours and hundreds of yards on a leg or gut shot.
I used a 243 exclusively through high school, killed a pile of deer with it, probably more than I have with anything else, but it always made for a hell of track if they didn't drop, which has given me a lot of experience blood trailing deer, even without blood, which is definitely a net positive.
Last,
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270win
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7mm rem mag
As someone who uses a .30-06 and 7mag now myself, why are we arguing about a 243?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:06 pm to Citica8
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Hell, I'd like to put a half our group in their 70s and 80s on the same 100yd limit and switch to a 30-30 350 legend of 360 buckhammer.
lol ol man in our lease my buddies FIL is 79. He ahot one this year and we couldn’t find it that evening he said it was big body and showed us where it was standing 80yd away 270 corelokt .
Couldn’t find anything that night, went the next morning and started looking and saw fresh tracks 20yd from the stand and started following them and found blood 20yd from impact and deer 60yd away.
Perfect shot if it would have been a 6.5 same result if we didn’t go back the next day lost deer.
I’m not advocating not letting old and young hunt but once again the almost problem was not a cartridge problem and at 25yd anyone who thinks energy solves the problem that 120# spike soaked it up like nothing!!!
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:11 pm to Ol boy
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anyone who thinks energy solves the problem
Should get a .300 rum snd some 150's and start cracking deer in half. Have fun trimming all that jello.
People don't get it. A .243 with the right bullet might well put more energy on target than a .378 weatherby with a solid. Energy is one part of it, how much of it stays on target is a function of resistance. A deer can't give much resistance.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:22 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
300wm with a niteforce scope sitting on top 150 corelokt 200+lb buck at about 50-60yd that’s the entry. Should have had my 30-30 and would have ended up with more than just a rack a back half!!
Btw he still ran about 50-60yds
Btw he still ran about 50-60yds
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:42 pm to Ol boy
That’s definitely an extreme, but it’s a reality.
Obviously if you look in the wrong spot you’ll never find it, but more of my experience with lethal “undersized” cartridges is the almost 10 years of finding deer I shot with a .243 where deer didn’t bleed but were dead inside 150 yards
Obviously if you look in the wrong spot you’ll never find it, but more of my experience with lethal “undersized” cartridges is the almost 10 years of finding deer I shot with a .243 where deer didn’t bleed but were dead inside 150 yards
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:47 pm to Ol boy
Well I’m looking to kill 4 before sundown tomorrow. I brought a 6.5 and a .243. I’ll report back on which deer end up deader.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:01 pm to Citica8
quote:
That’s definitely an extreme, but it’s a reality
Yeah no doubt and I saw the deer go down.
If it would have been a 6.5cr people would be inclined to say man you need something to anchor them cus they are tough . But since it’s a 300wm people say man them suckers are tough good thing you were shooting a 300wm!! lol
“ Energy is not the answer shot placement is”
Gonna start a T-shirt and hat brand for all the small caliber shooters
Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:59 pm to REB BEER
Remember reading a book by African hunter Peter Chapstick probably well over 40 years ago. A statement he made has stuck with me..."two holes are much better than one" referring to entry AND
exit holes on game.
Bullet placement and bullet construction mean quite a lot when harvesting game.
exit holes on game.
Bullet placement and bullet construction mean quite a lot when harvesting game.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:54 pm to ccard257
quote:
Well I’m looking to kill 4 before sundown tomorrow. I brought a 6.5 and a .243. I’ll report back on which deer end up deader.
Update- other than a couple dumb yearlings they were just running through fast or being skittish retards tonight rather than hanging out. So I only got one and it was a less than perfect shot on my part. 6.5 creed, 140gr nosler ballistic tip leaving the barrel at about 2619 fps. Lots of blood, deer made it about 100 yards. Pretty fricking dead when I got there. I’ll tote the .243 tomorrow and see if they are any less dead.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:09 pm to ccard257
So you’re basing the killing power of a caliber on its performance on a yearling?
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:17 pm to Ol boy
That’s why I stopped hunting with my 300win mag.
I play around a lot with 22’s and I found growing up all the times I was cut loss with one has helped me a lot. I still enjoy taking out one of my 22’s and just plank.
My dad bought a ruger 10/22 and put a cheap scope on it for me and would cut me lose with bricks at the camp.
I play around a lot with 22’s and I found growing up all the times I was cut loss with one has helped me a lot. I still enjoy taking out one of my 22’s and just plank.
My dad bought a ruger 10/22 and put a cheap scope on it for me and would cut me lose with bricks at the camp.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:41 pm to 257WBY
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So you’re basing the killing power of a caliber on its performance on a yearling?
No, I’m making fun of the people who blame their inability to select a proper bullet and/or shoot on the 6.5 creed and .243. And to be clear I didn’t shoot a yearling but I can see how that could be implied from my post.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:08 pm to ccard257
I was pretty sure it was clear, that this conversation was a generalization of the public as a whole, being a common enough theme across the country to earn the cripplemore nickname, it has some merit outside of your own circle. If you are coming in a message board to ask “what should I shoot?” my answer will be to err on the side of too big than too small, like you’re a kid, until proven otherwise.
I meant no slight the super experienced adult sharpshooters of the OB who always drop deer “like a sacks of potatoes” even with undersized rounds like .243 Winchester and 6.5 Creedmoor
… but a hit dog will holler.
I meant no slight the super experienced adult sharpshooters of the OB who always drop deer “like a sacks of potatoes” even with undersized rounds like .243 Winchester and 6.5 Creedmoor
… but a hit dog will holler.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:00 am to j_f
quote:
The board needs a rubric every time someone makes a subjective claim of "better." Better how? Effective range? Velocity? Flatness? Knock-down? Recoil? Blood trail? Fancy ammo? Ammo availability? Ammo price? Gun Price? Tacti- cool?
The most common answer is "because that's what I hunt with... and anyone who disagreees is a dumbass"
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Cures Erectile Dysfunction?
What round is that? (Asking for a friend).
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