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Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:59 pm to prplhze2000
Best mentioned so far has been SOLGW.
I really like LMT, but their pricing has gone nuclear. The $1200 rifle I have from them now goes for double. (and I didn't pay $1200 for mine)
Larue is a good option. BCM has been mentioned, I am not a fan. I would not do the Sig or any SW if you are upgrading, I am fans of both companies, just not their AR's. I use to love Aero but selling TONS of their stuff for a few years their quality declined. They were really good when they were making Spikes stuff and when they got popular but really lost QC with expansion. There is a brand nobody mentions, Spikes has good, quality parts if you want to go there. The best rifles IMO are ones that can provide a consistent, good product. Some companies like CMMG and DPMS are very consistent but have some lower end products with lots to be desired. Someone like SOLGW is consistent with a quality product. I personally prefer chrome lined barrels in my AR's and AK's but I understand the slight, very slight, advantages nitride barrels hold in some categories over chrome, so going with someone like SOLGW who only uses nitride can be ok.
I really like LMT, but their pricing has gone nuclear. The $1200 rifle I have from them now goes for double. (and I didn't pay $1200 for mine)
Larue is a good option. BCM has been mentioned, I am not a fan. I would not do the Sig or any SW if you are upgrading, I am fans of both companies, just not their AR's. I use to love Aero but selling TONS of their stuff for a few years their quality declined. They were really good when they were making Spikes stuff and when they got popular but really lost QC with expansion. There is a brand nobody mentions, Spikes has good, quality parts if you want to go there. The best rifles IMO are ones that can provide a consistent, good product. Some companies like CMMG and DPMS are very consistent but have some lower end products with lots to be desired. Someone like SOLGW is consistent with a quality product. I personally prefer chrome lined barrels in my AR's and AK's but I understand the slight, very slight, advantages nitride barrels hold in some categories over chrome, so going with someone like SOLGW who only uses nitride can be ok.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 2:07 am to armsdealer
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SOLGW
One of most overpriced, overhyped products on the AR market.
Good QC doesn't mean you can charge almost $2000 for an $900 rifle. I would never recommend a SOLGW rifle over any of the DoD contract companies like DD, BCM, FN, Geissele, LMT, etc.
They're basically Aero Precision or IWI level guns with great marketing.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:59 am to Jack Ruby
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One of most overpriced, overhyped products on the AR market.
Daniel Defense, yes
Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:02 am to Pat Sajak
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Sionics
Primary Arms just activated their 12% off coupon.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:05 pm to prplhze2000
Build your own. It's not necessarily cheaper especially with buying the tools too but you'll have the ability to build it just like you want with the best individual parts. When it shoots a cloverleaf at 100 yards you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you built it.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:38 pm to Jack Ruby
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One of most overpriced, overhyped products on the AR market.
Good QC doesn't mean you can charge almost $2000 for an $900 rifle. I would never recommend a SOLGW rifle over any of the DoD contract companies like DD, BCM, FN, Geissele, LMT, etc.
The SOLGW basic M4 streets around $1k... right in line with everyone you mentioned. SOLGW rifles are built properly and just run, I could care less about the hype. I mentioned LMT, my go to, but FN, Geissele,and even DD are fine. BCM I have seen wildly bad guns sent out. Even Noveske and KAC are good, but that price gets up there again.
A ton of small parts are all sourced from less than a handful of US suppliers, at least for the quality builders. Most places have another company build out their branded lowers and uppers so now you are pretty much left with a barrel and furniture. Many barrels are branded with whoever made it then you have the furniture which Gucci furniture gets Gucci expensive... That is how you get to the functionally same rifle with a different dress costing $1k more than the other. In the end, once you have quality parts, it comes down to quality assembly, testing and warranty, that is where SOLGW excels,so does LMT, some others mentioned simply suck. That is worth something, but maybe not to you. I don't care what brand you buy, but SOLGW earned their reputation before the hype.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 5:34 pm to armsdealer
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Even Noveske and KAC are good, but that price gets up there again.
You get what you pay for most of the time. I will put my Noveske barreled MK18 up against any other 11 inch gun. Noveske and KAC shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Liberty. That’s not taking anything away from them it’s just like comparing a Cooper rifle with a Savage axis.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:28 pm to 007mag
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When it shoots a cloverleaf at 100 yards you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you built it.
OP’s M&P will (or should) shoot a cloverleaf at 100 yards though. Y’all are all throwing out ideas for ARs that are “better” than his SW but I’ve not heard anyone say anything as to why they are worth the extra money.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 7:50 am to lsufan1971
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You get what you pay for most of the time. I will put my Noveske barreled MK18 up against any other 11 inch gun. Noveske and KAC shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Liberty. That’s not taking anything away from them it’s just like comparing a Cooper rifle with a Savage axis.
OP's M&P will shoot as good as the Noveske barrel. Its just made using cheaper materials. Not sure exactly what next level he's looking at though.
OP, if you want quality, just buy a decent mid ranged upper and put it together yourself. Make sure the Barrel and BCG are solid, the rest is not going to affect your accuracy. You can easily do this for less than $1500 and have an awesome rifle.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:15 am to armsdealer
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A ton of small parts are all sourced from less than a handful of US suppliers,
Like 15 years ago it was hilarious when people called DPMS crap not knowing they supplied pretty much everyone else that wasnt crap.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:24 am to prplhze2000
You need to figure out if by “next level” you mean next level for impressing people that you own Brand X or next level for actual function. If it’s the latter, build it yourself.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:26 am to cgrand
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OP’s M&P will (or should) shoot a cloverleaf at 100 yards though.
I seriously doubt that, but he may not need it to.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:47 am to Flats
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I seriously doubt that, but he may not need it to.
why?
100 yds is nothing
put OP's M&P on a rest, use good ammo and good form and i cannot imagine it can't group 3 in a hole
its a great rifle. all of the AR platform riflss should be able to do that, minimally
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:52 am to cgrand
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its a great rifle. all of the AR platform riflss should be able to do that, minimally
You’re talking about a mass produced, semi-auto that can consistently shoot less than .5 MOA. Most bolt guns won’t do that. My comment wasn’t a shot at the M&P, I just don’t think your views on accuracy are realistic.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:52 am to prplhze2000
Went by FALKOR Defense out here in Kalispell Mt yesterday. Don’t know anything about their rifles but they looked good and the guys there were super friendly and were all about talking about some rifles. Seemed like a good company.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:16 am to Flats
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I seriously doubt that, but he may not need it to.
Makes you wonder how people functioned prior to youtube videos.
Everyone wants to shoot sub MOA every time with a sub $1,000 rifle that has perfect fit and finish, lots of outward tactical shite and can reach over 1,000 yards with ease and accuracy.
Most starter rifles do everything we need them to do. Find a comfortable platform, find an accurate barrel and solid BCG and you're good as gold. Mine is mainly for hunting and SHTF. I don't need .5 MOA accuracy, I don't believe.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/4/22 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Everyone wants to shoot sub MOA every time with a sub $1,000 rifle that has perfect fit and finish, lots of outward tactical shite and can reach over 1,000 yards with ease and accuracy.
With Lake City M193.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:25 am to Flats
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With Lake City M193.
Yep.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:51 pm to Flats
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With Lake City M193.
If said sub $1000 rifle has a criterion barrel, I think it can do it. You could easily buy a PSA blem rifle and change the barrel and stay under $1000.
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