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The intelligence of deer from different areas
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:27 pm
In south louisiana, you can smoke on a deer stand, take a leak near your stand, and ride a fourwheeler to it. The deer don't seem to mind. But if you try to rattle horns or lure them in with a call they bolt.
In other areas, like kansas, if they even catch a sniff of you, they bolt. But if you rattle or grunt, bucks will literally run toward you.
Just curious as to why that may be.
In other areas, like kansas, if they even catch a sniff of you, they bolt. But if you rattle or grunt, bucks will literally run toward you.
Just curious as to why that may be.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:40 pm to X123F45
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kansas, if they even catch a sniff of you, they bolt.
Not in my experience, they never seemed bothered by smell too much. Actually had them come up and smell my ladder while I was in it. Here, they are some weary sumbitches.
You're right about the calling though. Its intense up there, gotta love it.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:58 pm to X123F45
Most south louisiana deer don't have the size racks for rattling. They will back out when they hear what sounds like too two large 10s going at it. On another note, i would say south Louisiana deer are much smarter and elusive due to the amount of pressure and thick coverage.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:07 pm to X123F45
I think a lot of it has to do with exposure to humans. Most hunting land in La is thick woods so you can put more hunters per acre, and more deer per acre. In places like Kansas where it's wide open you'll have a much larger area per hunter. A Louisiana deer might encounter multiple humans as a yearling. A deer on a several thousand acre farm in the Midwest might not ever see a human its first 2 years other than a passing truck or tractor
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:46 pm to X123F45
All comes down to pressure IMO. A 20 minute drive apart in MS the deer will act completely different.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:55 pm to X123F45
Where I hunt I haven't been scent busted by lots of deer. Sure it happens from time to time. I've even had deer scent bust me and not even bolt.
I hunted north of woodville one season, and you will have deer blowing at you that you didn't know were near. Old bucks are smart wherever you go, though. I haven't seen but a small handful in my 20 something odd years hunting them.
I hunted north of woodville one season, and you will have deer blowing at you that you didn't know were near. Old bucks are smart wherever you go, though. I haven't seen but a small handful in my 20 something odd years hunting them.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:57 pm to X123F45
Yeah I've had great success rattling in south Alabama. I do recommend hunting with a buddy though. Start rattling with your buddy 200 yards downwind most bigger bucks will try and get downwind and see what's up.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:56 pm to X123F45
I hunt pineywoods in AR and in MS.
Tha AR deer have home nearby and don't seem that wary of hunters. I've had them walk right up to me.
The MS land is surrounded by heavily hunted national forest without homes mearby. They must think humans are always danger and are much harder to hunt.
Tha AR deer have home nearby and don't seem that wary of hunters. I've had them walk right up to me.
The MS land is surrounded by heavily hunted national forest without homes mearby. They must think humans are always danger and are much harder to hunt.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:04 pm to X123F45
Hunting pressure and visibility.
First, while I've never had much luck rattling in Louisiana, I've had great success with a grunt call and a doe bleat. Buddy's daughter killed a 170+ this year. Blew a grunt call while putting her in a stand and that bastard came in tearing the world up.
Second, I feel like deer respond more then we realize, but we just can't see what they're doing. In a Texas and a Kansas you can see so much. In Louisiana, even in the fields, it's just so easy for them stay in cover.
Third, pressure pressure pressure. Our hunting heritage is a sense of pride in this state, but it puts a LOT of pressure on our deer.
All just my opinion.
First, while I've never had much luck rattling in Louisiana, I've had great success with a grunt call and a doe bleat. Buddy's daughter killed a 170+ this year. Blew a grunt call while putting her in a stand and that bastard came in tearing the world up.
Second, I feel like deer respond more then we realize, but we just can't see what they're doing. In a Texas and a Kansas you can see so much. In Louisiana, even in the fields, it's just so easy for them stay in cover.
Third, pressure pressure pressure. Our hunting heritage is a sense of pride in this state, but it puts a LOT of pressure on our deer.
All just my opinion.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:05 pm to X123F45
Meh. Never mind. I gave all this shite up years ago. Lol.
Gotta have plenty older bucks to have any amount of fighting going on.
Gotta have plenty older bucks to have any amount of fighting going on.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:19 pm to Fratigerguy
Could you elaborate on louisiana's issues and management problems?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:30 pm to cbiscuit
Put simply, 75% of Louisiana's buck harvest is yearling bucks.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:42 pm to Fratigerguy
If it's brown it's down yeeeehawwwww
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:46 pm to cbiscuit
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Could you elaborate on louisiana's issues and management problems?
The "if it's brown it's down" philosophy that does not let juvenile bucks develop
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:47 pm to X123F45
Kansas and Iowa have the dumbest big deer I've ever been around. They just graze around the same places everyday. Gun hunting there should be illegal . Bow is obviously a diff deal . Our deer hear are by far the wariest nocturnal creatures on the planet.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:34 pm to X123F45
I don't equate the ability or inability to rattle in deer in with inteligence. All of the bad things you listed you can get away with, are practices I would and do avoid.
I know in the midwest the wind is usually blowing and blowing hard. So that sent cone is constantly out there. There's also a big humidity difference between South Louisiana and the midwest, I've heard that matters with thier ability to pick up scents.
I know in the midwest the wind is usually blowing and blowing hard. So that sent cone is constantly out there. There's also a big humidity difference between South Louisiana and the midwest, I've heard that matters with thier ability to pick up scents.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:40 pm to Fratigerguy
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Put simply, 75% of Louisiana's buck harvest is yearling bucks.
I think this was the case 20 years ago, but I THINK it has gotten better. That's just based on talking to people, Facebook posts, and heck...just go to the damn processor. There are usually good size deer in there.
My opinion only, based on very little facts.
As far as the OP, I do agree that most leases don't have enough mature bucks to rattle much. But ive never been busted for scent, that I know of.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:42 pm to Citica8
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There's also a big humidity difference between South Louisiana and the midwest, I've heard that matters with thier ability to pick up scents.
That makes a lot of sense actually.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:47 pm to SportTiger1
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I think this was the case 20 years ago, but I THINK it has gotten better. That's just based on talking to people, Facebook posts, and heck...just go to the damn processor. There are usually good size deer in there.
And you may be right. There really is no way to know because we have basically no data collection program except for DMAP, which is skewed the other way, and wma checks.
But, I will say that generally speaking, you won't see many folks posting a picture of the spike they killed on facebook, nor will they brag about them much in conversation. Processor isn't the best place either because a lot of times, guys drop off bucks that will be mounted so someone else can cape it out. Smaller bucks get cleaned at the skinning shed much more often because there isn't anything to show off. Just human nature.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:03 pm to Fratigerguy
"The don't shoot does, but anything with horns is fair game" mentality is still very much alive in certain areas. I'd say it's diminishing, but we're definitely not "out of the woods" just yet.
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