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re: Teach me about owning a firearm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:05 pm to oleyeller
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:05 pm to oleyeller
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As far as accuracy part, had nothing to do with length, as it does poing and shoot (at least for my wife) who would never hit someone from 10ft away with a rifle or pistol.
a longer barrel is easier for a novice or someone who isnt trained under duress to shoot accurately. Especially after initial first shot. I am not referring to the accuracy of a round in a particular barrel
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t. And anywhere within a house you are usimh to protect yourself. It will cause complete devistation to someone.
At 15-20 ft, birdshot loses a lot of home defense effectiveness
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 2:06 pm
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:08 pm to oleyeller
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Nothing, what about 10 yards? 15?... alot
Pointing and shooting an 18" barreled shotgun and 18" barreled AR are going to be pretty much equal as far as accuracy indoors
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:08 pm to civiltiger07
With no firearm experience I would suggest you find a training class.Perhaps your local police department training officer could recommend some one.They might even give you private lessons in their off time.
My personal opinion,for what it’s worth would be a semi-auto shotgun with a short barrel.
Pumps are great but it takes a learning curve to to remember to pump it,especially under duress.
Rather than an AR I would prefer a Ruger PC carbine in 9mm.
Pistols,I suggest Glock 17 or 19.9 mm is plenty for home defense,there are some pretty bad arse bullets on the market now.9mm cartridges are fairly cheap and you would be more likely to practice frequently.Practice is key,it doesn’t matter what you shoot if you can’t hit it.
I’ll probably get downvotes for this but I have a Crimson Trace green laser on my Glock 17.I was never a particularly good shot with a pistol but with the laser I’m a deadeye on armadillos and possums.I even killed a beaver off my tractor about 75 yards in the bayou.Also did a good job on hogs in my trap,much easier to shoot them in the head than using iron sights.
My personal opinion,for what it’s worth would be a semi-auto shotgun with a short barrel.
Pumps are great but it takes a learning curve to to remember to pump it,especially under duress.
Rather than an AR I would prefer a Ruger PC carbine in 9mm.
Pistols,I suggest Glock 17 or 19.9 mm is plenty for home defense,there are some pretty bad arse bullets on the market now.9mm cartridges are fairly cheap and you would be more likely to practice frequently.Practice is key,it doesn’t matter what you shoot if you can’t hit it.
I’ll probably get downvotes for this but I have a Crimson Trace green laser on my Glock 17.I was never a particularly good shot with a pistol but with the laser I’m a deadeye on armadillos and possums.I even killed a beaver off my tractor about 75 yards in the bayou.Also did a good job on hogs in my trap,much easier to shoot them in the head than using iron sights.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:11 pm to jlovel7
op ... this is what I use for home defense in my house.
Rem 870 with extension tube loaded with #4 lead shot, and a Ruger SP 101 2" .357 loaded with Black Talons. Wife feels more comfortable using her duty weapon Glock .40 cal. Any intruder confrontation would happen within < 20 ft. (6 yds).
Rem 870 with extension tube loaded with #4 lead shot, and a Ruger SP 101 2" .357 loaded with Black Talons. Wife feels more comfortable using her duty weapon Glock .40 cal. Any intruder confrontation would happen within < 20 ft. (6 yds).
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:13 pm to NYCAuburn
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For HD, Id use/get an AR, revolver, pistol, shotgun. in that order. all are good though, but they AR has more benefits than negatives of all the factors for HD in comparison to the others
To the OP, just put these in reverse order and you should be good.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:30 pm to jlovel7
My personal opinion if we are looking for the personal defense weapon that is the easiest for an unskilled person to use is:
Pistol caliber carbine
AR15
9mm handgun
Someone unskilled with firearms? No way I'm suggesting a 12ga. It's just not an easy platform for anyone to pick up and operate reliability and effectively.
My son could pick up my 22 year old High Point 9mm carbine and effectively hit a man sized silhouette repeatedly at 10 and 25 yards when he was only 9 years old. PCC is much easier to aim and much easier to hit follow up shots than just about any other option.
Pistol caliber carbine
AR15
9mm handgun
Someone unskilled with firearms? No way I'm suggesting a 12ga. It's just not an easy platform for anyone to pick up and operate reliability and effectively.
My son could pick up my 22 year old High Point 9mm carbine and effectively hit a man sized silhouette repeatedly at 10 and 25 yards when he was only 9 years old. PCC is much easier to aim and much easier to hit follow up shots than just about any other option.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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Ive stated it in the thread.
Must of missed it - my bad. For a novice though, I believe a shotgun is still the way to go
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:57 pm to bbvdd
quote:Accuracy at longer range than a pistol
Why do you think the military carries M4?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:03 pm to jlovel7
Rule #1 is to treat every gun like it is loaded. Even if you know it’s not loaded still treat it like that. Never point at anything you would not want dead. Barrel never gets pointed at someone.
Rule #2 for me was to teach my kid about the gun. Don’t make it a “secret” or a toy. Luckily she hunted very young and killed lots of animals. We had some very frank discussions after she shot animals. Discussed how the gun killed and how a gun can just as easily kill a person/ family member.
I have hunted around old men that have been around guns all their lives and have terrible gun safety habits. My daughter will never be like that.
Rule #2 for me was to teach my kid about the gun. Don’t make it a “secret” or a toy. Luckily she hunted very young and killed lots of animals. We had some very frank discussions after she shot animals. Discussed how the gun killed and how a gun can just as easily kill a person/ family member.
I have hunted around old men that have been around guns all their lives and have terrible gun safety habits. My daughter will never be like that.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:44 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Accuracy at longer range than a pistol
When the a miltary team is clearing a house, do you think they put their M4s away to instead use their sidearm?
You really think that?
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:26 pm to bbvdd
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When the a miltary team is clearing a house, do you think they put their M4s away to instead use their sidearm?
They do not, my m9 was for the dfacs
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:59 pm to NYCAuburn
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At 15-20 ft, birdshot loses a lot of home defense effectiveness
Some 7.5’s will do plenty of damage at 20 ft. Especially if coming out of a full choke
Posted on 6/2/20 at 6:35 pm to fillmoregandt
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Some 7.5’s will do plenty of damage at 20 ft. Especially if coming out of a full choke
Yes but I’m assuming we are taking about home defense shotguns with 16-18” barrel, no chokes.
There’s an old video out of Saudi Arabia or something where some kid was shot with birdshot by police. Didn’t stop a kid. Wounds were bloody but didn’t penetrate.
There other examples as well. I would not trust birdshot at all to stop an intruder. Especially if it’s winter and they are wearing lots of cloths.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:39 pm to jlovel7
Rock Island Vr80
My preferred option for pandemic work: Rock Island VR80. 00 buck shells in 12 gauge.
My preferred option for pandemic work: Rock Island VR80. 00 buck shells in 12 gauge.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:06 pm to fillmoregandt
I got shot with a 20ga rabbit hunting with a carhart jacket on at probably 20 yards. Nothing broke through the jacket. Had it been buckshot I'd have been dead. Dont trust your life to birdshot
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:13 pm to X123F45
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while I love my 1911s, they aren't 100% firearms.
give me another firearm that's won 2 world wars.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:15 pm to finchmeister08
BAR
Lewis Machine Gun
Lewis Machine Gun
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:39 pm to Purple Spoon
Benelli Nova pump or Remington 870. Good for home defense. And you can use a shotgun for duck, rabbit, squirrel, pig, and close range deer hunting. If you decide to get into hunting. AR type rifle is useless for ducks and small game.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:29 pm to jlovel7
If it's purely for home defense, I'd pick an AR. 5.56 doesn't penetrate walls like buckshot does. There is more than enough evidence even if people don't want to believe it. A rifle is also infinitely easier to hit something with repeatedly than a pistol.
If you want something to carry as well, I would get a compact 9mm like a Glock 19 or even one of the larger subcompacts like the P365 Xl. That gives you something you can carry but still have a little magazine capacity for the house.
If you want something to carry as well, I would get a compact 9mm like a Glock 19 or even one of the larger subcompacts like the P365 Xl. That gives you something you can carry but still have a little magazine capacity for the house.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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got shot with a 20ga rabbit hunting with a carhart jacket on at probably 20 yards. Nothing broke through the jacket. Had it been buckshot I'd have been dead. Dont trust your life to birdshot
I said they’d do damage at 20 feet, not 20 yards. Not a lot of 20 yard shots in many houses
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