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Supreme Court strikes down the bump stock ban
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:26 am
Will find an article.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:33 am to bbvdd
Just saw that. The MSM melt will make for a great start to the weekend
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:35 am to bbvdd
Plot twist, feds. I still had 3D printer files for them the entire time
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:51 am to NOLAGT
Thomas wrote the opinion.
"Nothing changes when a semiautomatic rifle is equipped with a bump stock. The firing cycle remains the same. Between every shot, the shooter must release pressure from the trigger and allow it to reset before reengaging the trigger for another shot. A bump stock merely reduces the amount of time that elapses between separate “functions” of the trigger. The bump stock makes it easier for the shooter to move the firearm back toward his shoulder and thereby release pressure from the trigger and reset it. And, it helps the shooter press the trigger against his finger very quickly thereafter. A bump stock does not convert a semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun any more than a shooter with a lightning-fast trigger finger does. Even with a bump stock, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot for every “function of the trigger.” So, a bump stock cannot qualify as a machinegun under §5845(b)’s definition"
"But, §5845(b) does not define a machinegun based on what type of human input engages the trigger—whether it be a pull, bump, or something else. Nor does it define a machinegun based on whether the shooter has assistance engaging the trigger. The statutory definition instead hinges on how many shots discharge when the shooter engages the trigger. And, as we have explained, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot each time the shooter engages the trigger—with or without a bump stock.6 Supra, at 7–12. In any event, ATF’s argument cannot succeed on its own terms. "
"ATF resists the natural implication of its reasoning."
"Finally, the position that ATF and the dissent endorse is logically inconsistent."
I love that man.
Alito concurred.
Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented.
"Nothing changes when a semiautomatic rifle is equipped with a bump stock. The firing cycle remains the same. Between every shot, the shooter must release pressure from the trigger and allow it to reset before reengaging the trigger for another shot. A bump stock merely reduces the amount of time that elapses between separate “functions” of the trigger. The bump stock makes it easier for the shooter to move the firearm back toward his shoulder and thereby release pressure from the trigger and reset it. And, it helps the shooter press the trigger against his finger very quickly thereafter. A bump stock does not convert a semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun any more than a shooter with a lightning-fast trigger finger does. Even with a bump stock, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot for every “function of the trigger.” So, a bump stock cannot qualify as a machinegun under §5845(b)’s definition"
"But, §5845(b) does not define a machinegun based on what type of human input engages the trigger—whether it be a pull, bump, or something else. Nor does it define a machinegun based on whether the shooter has assistance engaging the trigger. The statutory definition instead hinges on how many shots discharge when the shooter engages the trigger. And, as we have explained, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot each time the shooter engages the trigger—with or without a bump stock.6 Supra, at 7–12. In any event, ATF’s argument cannot succeed on its own terms. "
"ATF resists the natural implication of its reasoning."
"Finally, the position that ATF and the dissent endorse is logically inconsistent."
I love that man.
Alito concurred.
Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:19 am to Mahootney
That same wording should apply to the FR Trigger
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:43 am to bbvdd
I'm fine with this.
But I'm not wasting my money on trashy bump stocks.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:59 am to Barneyrb
quote:
That same wording should apply to the FR Trigger
Amen.
Rare Breed finna eat!!!
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:23 pm to Mahootney
quote:
Thomas wrote the opinion.

Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:32 pm to bbvdd
Great ruling because the ATF is over bloated and needs to be checked at every possible opportunity.
The bump stock itself is stupid IMO. It has no practical application other than just mag dumping at the range.
The bump stock itself is stupid IMO. It has no practical application other than just mag dumping at the range.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 4:46 pm to TrueTiger
quote:I share the same sentiment. Although if a buddy had one, I'd happily shoot 30' groups at 25 yards with a 30 round mag
But I'm not wasting my money on bump stocks.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:07 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
We really don't deserve that man...
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:43 am to Purple Spoon
quote:one guy found a practical application for it a few years ago. The ban was reactionary to an actual event resulting in widespread loss of life.
The bump stock itself is stupid IMO. It has no practical application other than just mag dumping at the range.
it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position. Auto is well regulated as we all know, and because it is, simulated auto should be as well. Make it an NFA item or do away with NFA altogether but this parsing of words as a line in the sand is inherently weak
Posted on 6/15/24 at 10:15 am to cgrand
quote:
it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position
Well it is because there is a specific technical definition in play here and a bump stock, FRT, binary trigger, etc in no way changes the semi-automatic function. It's in the same vein as gun-control loons attempting to coerce the ATF and DOJ to adopt a "performance" standard to define armor-piercing ammunition vs. the current definition based on intent and materials used. Just because a .300 Win Mag soft point can blow through soft body armor rated for pistol rounds does that make it armor piercing? No, it's a dishonest and technically ignorant way to affect a rule change, same as attempting to put bump stocks on the NFA. Jerry Miculek's trigger finger could be a NFA machine gun if the ATF wanted, same way they classified a shoe string in the 1990's...
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:04 pm to Mahootney
Gorsuch also joined the dissent. That was surprising.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:09 pm to Sixafan
No he didn't.
It was the unsurprising 3.
It was the unsurprising 3.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:24 am to Mahootney
quote:
Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented.

Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:01 pm to bbvdd
Should've been 9-0. Congress is supposed to legislate, not the ATF.
The ATF's pistol brace crap was also vacated this week.
The ATF's pistol brace crap was also vacated this week.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:03 pm to cgrand
quote:
one guy found a practical application for it a few years ago. The ban was reactionary to an actual event resulting in widespread loss of life.
it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position. Auto is well regulated as we all know, and because it is, simulated auto should be as well. Make it an NFA item or do away with NFA altogether but this parsing of words as a line in the sand is inherently weak
Then it's up to Congress to legislate (imagine that), not the ATF.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:09 pm to cgrand
quote:
it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position.
If an ammo manufacturer developed a cartridge that made no sound when fired should that be illegal or should it be heralded as saving the hearing of millions of hunters?
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