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Supreme Court strikes down the bump stock ban

Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:26 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28646 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:26 am
Will find an article.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:30 am to
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:33 am to
Just saw that. The MSM melt will make for a great start to the weekend
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:35 am to
Plot twist, feds. I still had 3D printer files for them the entire time
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12156 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:51 am to
Thomas wrote the opinion.
"Nothing changes when a semiautomatic rifle is equipped with a bump stock. The firing cycle remains the same. Between every shot, the shooter must release pressure from the trigger and allow it to reset before reengaging the trigger for another shot. A bump stock merely reduces the amount of time that elapses between separate “functions” of the trigger. The bump stock makes it easier for the shooter to move the firearm back toward his shoulder and thereby release pressure from the trigger and reset it. And, it helps the shooter press the trigger against his finger very quickly thereafter. A bump stock does not convert a semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun any more than a shooter with a lightning-fast trigger finger does. Even with a bump stock, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot for every “function of the trigger.” So, a bump stock cannot qualify as a machinegun under §5845(b)’s definition"

"But, §5845(b) does not define a machinegun based on what type of human input engages the trigger—whether it be a pull, bump, or something else. Nor does it define a machinegun based on whether the shooter has assistance engaging the trigger. The statutory definition instead hinges on how many shots discharge when the shooter engages the trigger. And, as we have explained, a semiautomatic rifle will fire only one shot each time the shooter engages the trigger—with or without a bump stock.6 Supra, at 7–12. In any event, ATF’s argument cannot succeed on its own terms. "

"ATF resists the natural implication of its reasoning."
"Finally, the position that ATF and the dissent endorse is logically inconsistent."

I love that man.

Alito concurred.
Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
7217 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:19 am to
That same wording should apply to the FR Trigger
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:43 am to

I'm fine with this.

But I'm not wasting my money on trashy bump stocks.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:59 am to
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That same wording should apply to the FR Trigger


Amen.

Rare Breed finna eat!!!
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:23 pm to
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Thomas wrote the opinion.


Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:32 pm to
Great ruling because the ATF is over bloated and needs to be checked at every possible opportunity.

The bump stock itself is stupid IMO. It has no practical application other than just mag dumping at the range.
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
85509 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 4:46 pm to
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But I'm not wasting my money on bump stocks.
I share the same sentiment. Although if a buddy had one, I'd happily shoot 30' groups at 25 yards with a 30 round mag

Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29819 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:07 pm to
We really don't deserve that man...
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48825 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:43 am to
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The bump stock itself is stupid IMO. It has no practical application other than just mag dumping at the range.
one guy found a practical application for it a few years ago. The ban was reactionary to an actual event resulting in widespread loss of life.

it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position. Auto is well regulated as we all know, and because it is, simulated auto should be as well. Make it an NFA item or do away with NFA altogether but this parsing of words as a line in the sand is inherently weak
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19554 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 10:15 am to
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it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position


Well it is because there is a specific technical definition in play here and a bump stock, FRT, binary trigger, etc in no way changes the semi-automatic function. It's in the same vein as gun-control loons attempting to coerce the ATF and DOJ to adopt a "performance" standard to define armor-piercing ammunition vs. the current definition based on intent and materials used. Just because a .300 Win Mag soft point can blow through soft body armor rated for pistol rounds does that make it armor piercing? No, it's a dishonest and technically ignorant way to affect a rule change, same as attempting to put bump stocks on the NFA. Jerry Miculek's trigger finger could be a NFA machine gun if the ATF wanted, same way they classified a shoe string in the 1990's...
Posted by Sixafan
Member since Aug 2023
947 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:04 pm to
Gorsuch also joined the dissent. That was surprising.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115299 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:09 pm to
No he didn't.

It was the unsurprising 3.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:24 am to
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Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented.


Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
7693 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:01 pm to
Should've been 9-0. Congress is supposed to legislate, not the ATF.
The ATF's pistol brace crap was also vacated this week.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
7693 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

one guy found a practical application for it a few years ago. The ban was reactionary to an actual event resulting in widespread loss of life.

it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position. Auto is well regulated as we all know, and because it is, simulated auto should be as well. Make it an NFA item or do away with NFA altogether but this parsing of words as a line in the sand is inherently weak

Then it's up to Congress to legislate (imagine that), not the ATF.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

it’s funny to me when the argument is “actually the bump stock just makes a semi auto faster, it doesn’t make it auto!” as if that’s somehow a defensible position.


If an ammo manufacturer developed a cartridge that made no sound when fired should that be illegal or should it be heralded as saving the hearing of millions of hunters?
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