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re: Spinoff. What's Wrong with Hunting Today?
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:24 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:24 pm to geauxbrown
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One thing I believe to be a problem is the lack of camps. As a child, I would guess being at the camp was the same for most here. It was where you really not only learned to hunt, fish and shoot, but it was where you also learned to get along with others and be respectful.
What you are getting at it socialization. And it is something deer hunting has lost in spades since running dogs started going away. Sitting in a tree all alone can’t compare to the group effort of running dogs and organizing drives from a social standpoint, Trophies be damned.
I remember as a kid meeting all kinds of characters and old timers at the hunting club where we dog hunted. Most people then didn’t even wear camo. I wish kids today could experience it.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 11:27 pm
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 4:56 am to weagle99
I killed my first deer off of a dog box. 1983 i believe. I did all of the running around with the CB radio. Those people were the true traditional hunters. No pro staff, no celebrities. Fred Bear was on that weekend sportsman show. I personally am glad that phased out. I like letting most deer walk nowadays.
The biggest issue i see today is the honest, no harm meant thinking that if land is public, then one can go where he so chooses, with no volunteer honor code. Back in the day, if you saw a truck parked, and a turkey was gobbling even with it, common sense said that man was back there hunting. Leave the man alone and go down the road some. Not today.
You know that man is bowhunting that one spot. Theres 60 thousand acres, and 20,000 next to it. Leave that man alone. Not today. It's Public. Me,me,me,me, myself, and I.
The biggest issue i see today is the honest, no harm meant thinking that if land is public, then one can go where he so chooses, with no volunteer honor code. Back in the day, if you saw a truck parked, and a turkey was gobbling even with it, common sense said that man was back there hunting. Leave the man alone and go down the road some. Not today.
You know that man is bowhunting that one spot. Theres 60 thousand acres, and 20,000 next to it. Leave that man alone. Not today. It's Public. Me,me,me,me, myself, and I.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 6:30 am to weagle99
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the group effort of running dogs
Man I miss it so much. Hunting was so much more fun. There was so much more to talk bout.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:25 am to EF Hutton
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The biggest issue i see today is the honest, no harm meant thinking that if land is public, then one can go where he so chooses, with no volunteer honor code. Back in the day, if you saw a truck parked, and a turkey was gobbling even with it, common sense said that man was back there hunting. Leave the man alone and go down the road some. Not today.
You know that man is bowhunting that one spot. Theres 60 thousand acres, and 20,000 next to it. Leave that man alone. Not today. It's Public. Me,me,me,me, myself, and I.
For once, we can find ourselves in agreement, EF. This has to be one of the biggest issues on public land. I go out of my way to get away from people so as not to disturb another man's hunt (and hopefully not have my own disturbed).
But some people seem to make it their mission to find another hunter to walk in on.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:39 am to Cowboyfan89
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But some people seem to make it their mission to find another hunter to walk in on.
a lot of it has to do with folks thinking that putting survey tape up to "their spot" reserves it. if you ain't there, it ain't your spot. I make an effort to stay away from folks if I see a truck or boat parked but I'm not giving the same respect to survey tape. Learn how to get around the woods without it. Folks will find one spot that looks good and quit scouting. I have 10 or 15 spots I can go in my back pocket before I stop scouting so it isn't a big deal if there's a truck at my #1 choice.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:56 am to Loup
Lol ! If i see survey tape i ain't hunting there anyways.
Deer likely got the others patterned anyhow. I might pattern them myself, see how they enter / exit, figure how deer have altered to avoid them. Bunch of detouring does come in handy for the rut.
Deer likely got the others patterned anyhow. I might pattern them myself, see how they enter / exit, figure how deer have altered to avoid them. Bunch of detouring does come in handy for the rut.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:11 am to EF Hutton
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Lol ! If i see survey tape i ain't hunting there anyways.
I avoid it as well when deer hunting but it won't keep me from squirrel hunting.
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I might pattern them myself, see how they enter / exit, figure how deer have altered to avoid them.
yup. deer hunting public land is almost more about knowing how people move as it is about deer moving
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 8:13 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:04 am to weagle99
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I remember as a kid meeting all kinds of characters and old timers at the hunting club where we dog hunted. Most people then didn’t even wear camo. I wish kids today could experience it.
Yep. My son is 17 and he’s been running dogs since he was old enough to come. I’ve been trying to get him to invite some of his HS buddies to come but none have ever taken him up on it. Some of our best stories are sitting around and laughing at what the guys at the camp say and do. It’s more of a comedy routine than a hunting trip when you’re with the right bunch of guys. And if someone actually kills a deer, that’s just a bonus.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:31 am to MrLSU
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Required Hunter Safety Courses killed hunting regardless of whether you want to believe that or not it absolutely make it more difficult for people to go out and hunt like they used to 30 years ago when it wasn't a requirement.
In GA, they offer 1 day "apprentice" licenses for $10 for the first day and $5 each additional consecutive day, with no ed requirement. So you can try to get into it, go with friends or family as a beginner, see if you like it, then get a real license.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:42 am to geauxbrown
It’s really a natural progression as our country matures and becomes developed. 40-50 years ago things were wide open, you would just go out and pull up your boat and duck hunt or deer hunt, nobody cared. Slowly as the economy has grown land owners realized the money in leasing and we are now getting to be like Europe where hunting is all private. That said we have quite a bit of public lands to hunt in some states so not all bad.
On an additional note when I was a kid just seeing a buck was a big deal, the regulations and management have made deer hunting better.
On an additional note when I was a kid just seeing a buck was a big deal, the regulations and management have made deer hunting better.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:54 am to geauxbrown
Idiots on public land sticking bamboo or palmettos in the mud to make a "natural blind" to claim a spot for themselves. It used not bother me until the spots I hunted ended up with these blinds in them. Don't get pissed off and make some social media outcry when I am there first in it or in my boat blind next to it. I have hunted the same areas for 20 years. You just showed up the last year or two. You think you are the only one that knows where to go?
Also, duck hunting public these frickers will move closer and closer to you in the woods if you are shooting to figure out your spot. They will even crank up and drive to the pond, mark it, and then turn around. I have had as much as 4 boats do it in a day. They don't care if they screw you up. Just wait till after 2pm then steal the spot.
Idiots posting their very limited public land success to social media to boost their ego with pics of the spot and all. Thus sending extra idiots to the said public land to kill the fewer and fewer fish and critters left. Causing more and more folks to erect shitty camps everywhere.
All goes back to media. Loose lips sink ships. It is funny. They will even bitch about the extra people on the facebook page dedicated to ruining the area after they post their success!
There, I got it out.
Also, duck hunting public these frickers will move closer and closer to you in the woods if you are shooting to figure out your spot. They will even crank up and drive to the pond, mark it, and then turn around. I have had as much as 4 boats do it in a day. They don't care if they screw you up. Just wait till after 2pm then steal the spot.
Idiots posting their very limited public land success to social media to boost their ego with pics of the spot and all. Thus sending extra idiots to the said public land to kill the fewer and fewer fish and critters left. Causing more and more folks to erect shitty camps everywhere.
All goes back to media. Loose lips sink ships. It is funny. They will even bitch about the extra people on the facebook page dedicated to ruining the area after they post their success!
There, I got it out.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:55 am to EF Hutton
Two different issues I had on a recent hunt on Hollins WMA in AL. I live an hour from there, got up at 4 am, left the house at 4:30, got to my parking spot at 5:30 am, a cul-de-sac in the woods basically. No one else was there. I park directly in front of the only gate on the left side of the cul-de-sac for a logging road. A walking trail goes off into the woods on the other side of the cul-de-sac. I go back and still hunt an area until about 9 am when I hear dogs running all over creation (on a WMA where they're not supposed to be). Over the next hour they got louder and louder until they came running over a hill within 100 yards in full view of me chasing absolutely nothing. Saw they both had collars. They were running in circles, figure 8's, loopdy loops chasing nothing but old scent. After watching this circus and them not jumping anything up I started walking back out to my truck the same way I walked in down a logging road when I see something funny in a tree that didn't look right. Some guy started waving something orange at me to let me know he was there. I had to walk past him to get back to my truck. I stopped to talk. Him and two other guys got there late and were spread out in different places. They parked in the cul-de sac and two of them walked past the gate that I parked in front of knowing at least one other person (me) was in there. WTF man. So I walk back to the truck and there's 4 other trucks in the cul-de sac. Two different guys came out while I was making lunch. They said they were the 2nd truck to park and that these last three guys must've came in well after the sun was up. One of those last three guys walked in and setup between these two guys. They got up and was leaving too same as I was. Everybody's hunt was ruined due to dogs and idiots. Too many guys trying to hunt the same fricking area not knowing where everybody else is at. I don't have that problem on Cahaba WMA. If you see a truck parked in front of a gate, you keep going to the next spot.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:26 pm to Harlan County USA
Im not familiar with those or any Alabama WMA's, but the two I frequent in GA are ran completely different from each other.
One of them is a free for all like you describe. In deer season, there's no such thing as a gate without any trucks parked at it. Too many hunters, not enough land.
The other one I go to is a lottery system, GA calls it "quota' for some reason, but it's a lottery with a point system. It's only open for deer two weekends a year and you have to get drawn. This WMA is covered up with deer. Success rates are in the 70% range most years. And everyone has the ability to spread out. But, most applications don't get chosen. You have have be rejected a few times to build up points in order to actually get selected. Again, this goes back to more hunters than land.
One of them is a free for all like you describe. In deer season, there's no such thing as a gate without any trucks parked at it. Too many hunters, not enough land.
The other one I go to is a lottery system, GA calls it "quota' for some reason, but it's a lottery with a point system. It's only open for deer two weekends a year and you have to get drawn. This WMA is covered up with deer. Success rates are in the 70% range most years. And everyone has the ability to spread out. But, most applications don't get chosen. You have have be rejected a few times to build up points in order to actually get selected. Again, this goes back to more hunters than land.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:58 pm to deeprig9
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In GA, they offer 1 day "apprentice" licenses for $10 for the first day and $5 each additional consecutive day, with no ed requirement. So you can try to get into it, go with friends or family as a beginner, see if you like it, then get a real license.
I've had dozens of guys with their kids who wanted to hunt but none of them had their hunter safety course. So all of those people decided to do something else instead hunt in Louisiana.
The LDWF knows it has contributed to the loss of hunters because try finding 2-3 days to sit and take a course. The LDWF figured this out because hunter numbers and revenue were down so they transitioned on Jan. 2, 2021 and allowed people to take an online course however that online course is not allowed for those under the age of 16 because they have to attend in person in a traditional classroom setting with a required field day.
People who maybe interested in hunting do not want to be bothered with additional Governmental red tape and this has been a red tape issue for decades.
I think Georgia's apprentice program is the solution but the money makers who are offering these courses will fight that change with everything they have in Louisiana because they let the cat out of the bag without thinking of the repercussions.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:24 pm to geauxbrown
quote:Since we fixed the bad boots problem, I have no issues.
In your opinion, currently what are the most pressing issues that could potentially endanger hunting?
My success or lack of is directly a result of my efforts. As I have aged, I have a few more resources, so I can kill some stuff with little effort.
Everything else is 95% get off my lawn crap.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:25 pm to deeprig9
I'm a KY native and like the way they do it. KY always seems to be out front vs AL when it comes to stuff like this. They give you a full year of hunting without the hunter ed but you have to apply for the exemption. I got my hunter ed card in 87. It's a blaze orange plastic card just like an ID. When I suggest something novel like this to anyone involved in AL they act like it's too over the top. No, it's cause you're too stubborn to see how another state does it and apply that to AL.
"Temporary (1-Year) Hunter Education Exemption Permit
The temporary hunter education exemption permit allows a person to hunt for one year without first completing a hunter education course. The permit will be available online for free (for a limited time) and is available to both Kentucky residents and nonresidents.
Kentucky’s hunter education law requires all license-required hunters born on or after January 1, 1975, to pass a hunter education course and carry the course completion card when hunting. However, hunters who have the new permit will be exempt from this law for one year from the date issued.
The permit is available only one time. Once it expires, hunters are no longer exempt and must successfully complete a hunter education course.
Hunters who carry the permit must be accompanied by a properly licensed adult hunter at least 18 years old who meets the hunter education requirement. The adult must remain in a position to take immediate control of the exempted hunter’s bow or firearm while hunting. Adult supervision is also required for all hunters under the age of 10, and for all firearm deer, elk and turkey hunters 15 and younger.
Children don’t have to take the course until they turn 12 years old. Children cannot take the hunter education test until they turn 9. During the three-year window between ages 9 and 12, children have many opportunities to take a course. More than 300 hunter education courses are scheduled throughout Kentucky each year.
Landowners who are hunting on their own land, and other license-exempt hunters, are not required to take a hunter education course. However, the course is strongly recommended. For complete information on hunter education, call 1-800-858-1549."
KY Hunter Ed
"Temporary (1-Year) Hunter Education Exemption Permit
The temporary hunter education exemption permit allows a person to hunt for one year without first completing a hunter education course. The permit will be available online for free (for a limited time) and is available to both Kentucky residents and nonresidents.
Kentucky’s hunter education law requires all license-required hunters born on or after January 1, 1975, to pass a hunter education course and carry the course completion card when hunting. However, hunters who have the new permit will be exempt from this law for one year from the date issued.
The permit is available only one time. Once it expires, hunters are no longer exempt and must successfully complete a hunter education course.
Hunters who carry the permit must be accompanied by a properly licensed adult hunter at least 18 years old who meets the hunter education requirement. The adult must remain in a position to take immediate control of the exempted hunter’s bow or firearm while hunting. Adult supervision is also required for all hunters under the age of 10, and for all firearm deer, elk and turkey hunters 15 and younger.
Children don’t have to take the course until they turn 12 years old. Children cannot take the hunter education test until they turn 9. During the three-year window between ages 9 and 12, children have many opportunities to take a course. More than 300 hunter education courses are scheduled throughout Kentucky each year.
Landowners who are hunting on their own land, and other license-exempt hunters, are not required to take a hunter education course. However, the course is strongly recommended. For complete information on hunter education, call 1-800-858-1549."
KY Hunter Ed
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:29 pm to MrLSU
quote:Good points. I remember missing an afternoon or two of football practice when I took hunters ed at the local trade school. The class was a joke even for white bear cub at the time.
I've had dozens of guys with their kids who wanted to hunt but none of them had their hunter safety course. So all of those people decided to do something else instead hunt in Louisiana. The LDWF knows it has contributed to the loss of hunters because try finding 2-3 days to sit and take a course. The LDWF figured this out because hunter numbers and revenue were down so they transitioned on Jan. 2, 2021 and allowed people to take an online course however that online course is not allowed for those under the age of 16 because they have to attend in person in a traditional classroom setting with a required field day. People who maybe interested in hunting do not want to be bothered with additional Governmental red tape and this has been a red tape issue for decades.
I will add when Cocodrie NWR opened in the 90’s and was hot the USFWS required a separate Ed course to hunt there, which kept me away because the class was given once per year at like Co-Lin NTZ and was not really advertised, so I missed it every gd year. They’ve since dropped that requirement.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:56 pm to geauxbrown
too many black panthers attacking hunters in MS.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:05 pm to White Bear
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I will add when Cocodrie NWR opened in the 90’s and was hot the USFWS required a separate Ed course to hunt there, which kept me away because the class was given once per year at like Co-Lin NTZ and was not really advertised, so I missed it every gd year. They’ve since dropped that requirement.
Some of the NWR's also have a separate fee for a pass to hunt. Used to be you had to drive way to a gas station near one to buy the pass, but now you can buy them online and this one is only good for like 3 different NWR's in the area. Never understood why they don't sell that like the WMA passes when you are getting a license.
Most kids around this part of La took hunters ed as soon as possible, and their parents had the foresight to buy them a lifetime license. My parents did not lol, but that is neither here nor there.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:29 pm to BorrisMart
The Bowhunter Ed class used to be good. It was informative. Simulated blood trailing, and the example of a sharp broadhead vs a neglected one. That rubber band jig.
To this day, i have never forgot that. I use coarse & fine DMT diamond stones and routinely touch up my broadhead blades.
You should have seen the trails this season . Unbelievable. I'm using Wasp Hammer 125. That was a good class.
Just like the old days example of honoring another hunter's presense, people back then did not mind taking a day out of their lives to attend, and went to learn, and participated.
To this day, i have never forgot that. I use coarse & fine DMT diamond stones and routinely touch up my broadhead blades.
You should have seen the trails this season . Unbelievable. I'm using Wasp Hammer 125. That was a good class.
Just like the old days example of honoring another hunter's presense, people back then did not mind taking a day out of their lives to attend, and went to learn, and participated.
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