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Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Posted by Will Cover on 12/29/15 at 10:08 am00
Only to be used for concealment.
Pros: Safety is not needed due to double (corrected, made an initial typing mistake) action.
Cons: Harder to hold target? But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.
Thoughts?
Smith & Wesson M&P BODYGUARD® 380
Pros: Safety is not needed due to double (corrected, made an initial typing mistake) action.
Cons: Harder to hold target? But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.
Thoughts?
Smith & Wesson M&P BODYGUARD® 380
This post was edited on 12/29 at 11:38 am
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by H.M. Murdock on 12/29/15 at 10:10 am to Will Cover
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Pros: Safety is not needed due to single action.
Uh???
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by Will Cover on 12/29/15 at 10:14 am to H.M. Murdock
I've been told that the State Police have been issued this hand gun and they are trained to leave the safety off.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by Hammertime on 12/29/15 at 10:16 am to Will Cover
The Bodyguard sucks. I haven't ever seen one person shoot it well. Even people that practice with it don't shoot it well. Trigger pull is about 4ft long and grainy. Reset is about 3ft long. The hammer is distracting. It shoots .380
Btw, you've got your SA and DA safety thing mixed up. DA has a harder pull. I do not know any state troopers who carry a Bodyguard
Btw, you've got your SA and DA safety thing mixed up. DA has a harder pull. I do not know any state troopers who carry a Bodyguard
This post was edited on 12/29 at 10:18 am
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by dnm3305 on 12/29/15 at 10:16 am to Will Cover
The safety isnt needed for any defensive gun period, so not sure what your point is.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by H.M. Murdock on 12/29/15 at 10:18 am to Will Cover
Don't know who told you that but its a bit...dumb.
Single action, like a 1911, amounts to a very crisp and light trigger. One you would like a safety for.
Double action is pulling the hammer back and then letting the hammer fall. So, its naturally a heavier trigger pull.
The bodyguard has a trigger safety I believe??
Single action, like a 1911, amounts to a very crisp and light trigger. One you would like a safety for.
Double action is pulling the hammer back and then letting the hammer fall. So, its naturally a heavier trigger pull.
The bodyguard has a trigger safety I believe??
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by H.M. Murdock on 12/29/15 at 10:20 am to dnm3305
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The safety isnt needed for any defensive gun period, so not sure what your point is.
Thats a bit ridiculous. I'm not carrying a 1911 cocked without thumb safety engaged.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by swanny297 on 12/29/15 at 10:36 am to H.M. Murdock
quote:actually it isn't, most that carry daily don't conceal a 1911 and most prefer no safety, shield, glock, xds all good choices - I would step up to a 9mm single stack or low round double stack (weight) for conceal carry and stay away from the bodyguard.
Thats a bit ridiculous
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by H.M. Murdock on 12/29/15 at 10:39 am to swanny297
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a 1911 and most prefer no safety,
Seriously, stop.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by bapple on 12/29/15 at 10:40 am to Will Cover
Having a tough time seeing the point you're making.
Single action is a shorter and softer trigger pull. If you're gun is single action only, aka a 1911, I would use the thumb safety. If you don't train with the thumb safety every single time you use the gun though, I wouldn't buy a carry gun with a safety.
All quality holsters cover the trigger guard of your handgun. If you see a holster that does not cover the trigger, it's a bad holster and shouldn't be used. Besides that, there's no need for the extra step of the safety.
Shotguns and rifles have safeties because the trigger is always exposed. Not the case with a holstered handgun.
It's harder to be accurate with a double-action-only hammer-fired gun due to the long trigger pull but there are plenty of double action striker-fired guns that have great triggers.
This isn't true in the slightest. You try your best to hit what you're shooting at. You're responsible for everything that leaves that barrel.
If you insist on getting a pocket carry 380, I would suggest the Kahr CW380 over this one about 1000 times.
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Pros: Safety is not needed due to single action.
Single action is a shorter and softer trigger pull. If you're gun is single action only, aka a 1911, I would use the thumb safety. If you don't train with the thumb safety every single time you use the gun though, I wouldn't buy a carry gun with a safety.
All quality holsters cover the trigger guard of your handgun. If you see a holster that does not cover the trigger, it's a bad holster and shouldn't be used. Besides that, there's no need for the extra step of the safety.
Shotguns and rifles have safeties because the trigger is always exposed. Not the case with a holstered handgun.
quote:
Cons: Harder to hold target?
It's harder to be accurate with a double-action-only hammer-fired gun due to the long trigger pull but there are plenty of double action striker-fired guns that have great triggers.
quote:
But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.
This isn't true in the slightest. You try your best to hit what you're shooting at. You're responsible for everything that leaves that barrel.
quote:
Smith & Wesson M&P BODYGUARD® 380
If you insist on getting a pocket carry 380, I would suggest the Kahr CW380 over this one about 1000 times.
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by dnm3305 on 12/29/15 at 10:44 am to H.M. Murdock
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Thats a bit ridiculous. I'm not carrying a 1911 cocked without thumb safety engaged
Well of course not, which is why a 1911 is about no.57 on the list of optimum conceal carry pistols. A Glock 19 doesnt have a safety, would you not carry it because of that?
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by slinger1317 on 12/29/15 at 11:40 am to Will Cover
Striker fired beats hammer fired hands down, especially for CC
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by Gaston on 12/29/15 at 11:44 am to slinger1317
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Striker fired beats hammer fired hands down, especially for CC
I don't think this is true. Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon. Strikers are cheaper, but IDGAF about that when it comes to something like a self defense weapon.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by nvcowboyfan on 12/29/15 at 11:59 am to Will Cover
If you want a small .380 for pocket carry the Ruger LCPc has a very nice trigger and no safety. I personally don't like a defensive gun with a safety but that is just my preference
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Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon
Unless you're limited to only shooting ammo with hard primers, second strike capability doesn't matter that much. The only time I've seen light strikes with any of my striker guns was from hard primers (steel cased ammo) or a dud (failure to ignite after multiple strikes).
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by ShreveportHog94 on 12/29/15 at 12:16 pm to Will Cover
Get a hi-point if you're going to conceal. That way when the bad guy has shot you anyway, you won't be out a ton of cash.
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by TigerOnThe Hill on 12/29/15 at 1:13 pm to Will Cover
This thread and the original post have a lot of different things going on, most of which have already been addressed. My question to the original poster is what does this statement mean?
I don't want to jump to conclusions so can you clarify what you're trying to say?
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Cons: Harder to hold target? But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.
I don't want to jump to conclusions so can you clarify what you're trying to say?
re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?Posted by TigerOnThe Hill on 12/29/15 at 1:14 pm to Will Cover
NM. Double post.
This post was edited on 12/29 at 1:19 pm
quote:People with defensive handgun training (beyond the 9 hour La. handgun permit classes and/or the NRA Basic Pistol "soccer mom" classes) do not use any sort of "second strike" capability. That's more of a Madison Ave. marketing spiel than anything else.
Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon.
TRB/tap-rack-bang is taught at virtually every top-tier training school. This guy knows a little bit about the subject: LINK
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