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Shotgun for home defense, you still need to aim!.

Posted on 1/23/18 at 7:55 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 7:55 pm
A shotgun is a excellent firearm choice for home defense, but every thread on the subject will usually have someone recommending getting a shotgun for the ability to just generally "point and shoot" taking out the bad guy and the whole living room wall behind them.

LINK

This 1 minute video demonstrates that at 15 feet or less a short 12ga loaded with 00 buck is not much different than a rifle.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 7:57 pm to
I've read somewhere on here that you just spray. Don't need to aim.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:32 am to
quote:

I've read somewhere on here that you just spray. Don't need to aim.


Also shoot from the hip. That's important.
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:48 am to
Hold it sideways like a brutha.
Posted by Gingersnap
Natchitoches
Member since Dec 2012
900 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:53 am to
You are half right.

BUT you point a shotgun, not aim one. Your hands go where ever you eyes are focused. Just like pointing your finger at a light switch across the room.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14033 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:55 am to
quote:

BUT you point a shotgun, not aim one


For self defense I'm aiming a shotgun, but yes when hunting or breaking clays I don't aim.
Posted by 007mag
Death Valley, Sec. 408
Member since Dec 2011
3873 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:36 am to
quote:

15’ or less

I disagree, at only 12’ or less from your muzzle pointing at center mass isn’t that difficult. Truth be known probably don’t have to aim a rifle either. It would be a pretty noticeable angle to point a long gun away from someone inside 5 yds when the gun itself eliminates 20% of the distance.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:57 am to
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A shotgun is a excellent firearm choice for home defense


It actually isn't that great for firearm novices, which is often the very folks to which it is directed.

A shotgun has, generally, unforgiving recoil - particularly 12 gauge with buckshot or slugs (the most effective defense rounds). They sell them with pistol grips ("cruiser" style) and folding stocks, which is exactly the configuration you might want to store/transport them in, but a novice thinks they can shoot these guns accurately from the hip.

With hilarious results. Most folks would be better suited with a rifle, and I would recommend an AR-15 platform. Not because it's the best (which is subjective), but it is a fantastic platform, all around - and particularly a novice can pick up and fire such a weapon more proficiently at round 1, and will more quickly become proficient than almost any other firearm on the market. The other advantages should be obvious over shotguns and pistols - range, firepower, recoil, etc.

Just my $0.02.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11895 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:03 pm to
I won’t post my TL;DR post from the previous thread where this topic came up. But I agree that going by hard facts, the AR15 is a better all-around home defense weapon. And again if anyone wants to challenge any point I made I would be willing to discuss.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30048 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:29 pm to
the biggest issue with a self defense gun for your home is what happens when fired.

bullets from a riffle or handgun will go through walls and doors, possibly killing your kids or others as a result.

a shotgun is the safest weapon in that regard
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14033 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

a shotgun is the safest weapon in that regard


with what ammo? buckshot will go though many layers of sheetrock. .223/5.56 rounds will begin to tumble after hitting sheetrock.
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

he biggest issue with a self defense gun for your home is what happens when fired.

bullets from a riffle or handgun will go through walls and doors, possibly killing your kids or others as a result.

a shotgun is the safest weapon in that regard




i can attest to this as a neighbor had a break in new years eve. we share a back alley, his 5 shots from a .40 caliber handgun, 3 went through his fence and mine, only a crepe mrytle deflected these from going through my living room french doors another 2 shots I found in my roof.

he has a shotgun now for home defense
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:40 pm to
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with what ammo? buckshot will go though many layers of sheetrock. .223/5.56 rounds will begin to tumble after hitting sheetrock.


I don't know if this is the video bap always posts, but here goes:

Keep in mind - for the shotgun blast, the walls "gave" (they all tumble to ruin the suspense) - so IRL, the wall will hold up and allow the pellets to carry more energy through.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13483 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:42 pm to
Did none of them hit the perp?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Did none of them hit the perp?


No - that's why we need all those hi-cap pistols - to miss a lot. But, at least it scared him, right?



Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:46 pm to
quote:



i can attest to this as a neighbor had a break in new years eve. we share a back alley, his 5 shots from a .40 caliber handgun, 3 went through his fence and mine, only a crepe mrytle deflected these from going through my living room french doors another 2 shots I found in my roof.
quote:


he has a shotgun now for home defense




sounds like you should take the shotgun away from him as well and give him a can of spray mace.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

a shotgun is the safest weapon in that regard

Nah. The only ammo worth using for home defense in a shotgun is buckshot (birdshot is stupid) and that is certainly more dangerous through sheetrock than a rifle round.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12740 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

Nah. The only ammo worth using for home defense in a shotgun is buckshot (birdshot is stupid) and that is certainly more dangerous through sheetrock than a rifle round.


This is where being prepared and knowing your house inside and out comes into play. Knowing exactly how your gun patterns with a certain shell at certain distances, knowing which walls no one can be behind, knowing anything else that might come into play. I've patterned 00 Buckshot through mine at 5, 10, and 15 yards, the longest shot possible in my house. At 5 and 10 there is one big ugly hole. At 15 there were a couple of flier pellets occasionally, but mostly still a tight pattern. You definitely have to aim. They also went through about 3-4 sheets of drywall. I had two on a stud, about 5 feet of space, then two more on a stud, to imitate how it is actually hung in a house. I wouldn't want to be on the other side of two walls with it being shot.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

This is where being prepared and knowing your house inside and out comes into play.

I definitely agree at the same time, I believe in minimizing any variables if at all possible. I use 5.56 because I know it has less energy after penetrating sheetrock than buckshot. You never know how these situations play out and while knowing how your house is structured and the layout is important, you may have to take less than ideal shots in a situation if it is your only chance to stop a threat. I would be way more comfortable if my margin of error is increased on where the bullet goes if there is a miss.
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Member since Oct 2011
41636 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

brutha

Are you assuming the OP's race?
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