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Semi-Auto AA-12 Owners, be prepared for a visit from the ATF...
Posted on 8/30/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/30/19 at 12:49 pm
Apparently, they’re going around to all FFL dealers seizing these due to incorrect markings from the manufacturer. If it’s been sold in store, they’re apparently making visits to the customers.
Can’t find any news articles at the moment, but people are discussing it on AR-15.com.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/ATF-just-left-the-shop-seizing-all-AA-12-s-due-to-manufacture-markings-edited-with-atf-letter/5-2250920/
Can’t find any news articles at the moment, but people are discussing it on AR-15.com.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/ATF-just-left-the-shop-seizing-all-AA-12-s-due-to-manufacture-markings-edited-with-atf-letter/5-2250920/
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 1:22 pm to finchmeister08
Wouldn't be the first time the ATF did something like this. Something similar happened with the Yugoslavian M76. The ATF allowed the importation of the M76 and later down the road changed their classification of the rifle to machine gun due to the receivers having a 3rd axis pin hole. Didn't matter that the M76 was never a full auto rifle, they changed the rule AFTER they cleared the rifles for sale leaving the owners to either turn them in or demill and cut them up in parts kits.
Posted on 8/31/19 at 9:42 am to Kino74
Same thing happened with Egyptian Maadi AK’s years back. Except those were actual machine gun receivers from what I was told. Oooopppsss.
Posted on 8/31/19 at 10:18 am to finchmeister08
Oh, people are discussing it on a forum. No credible news articles. Must be true then. Thanks for the brilliant factual reporting.
Posted on 8/31/19 at 10:46 am to spyder
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spyder Member since Nov 2010 7 posts
Posted on 8/31/19 at 11:34 am to spyder
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spyder
Just looked at your previous 7 post.
You appear to be a liberal POS. Post less.
Posted on 8/31/19 at 12:30 pm to jbgleason
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Same thing happened with Egyptian Maadi AK’s years back. Except those were actual machine gun receivers from what I was told. Oooopppsss.
That 3rd axis pin hole is always an issue even if welded over and no longer exists. The ATF will still rule it as "once a machine gun, always a machine gun." Its weird to go to a British site that sells deact guns and realize they would be still classified as a machine gun here.
Posted on 8/31/19 at 1:28 pm to bbvdd
And you appear to be a typical conservative that ignores facts. Sorry to hurt your feelings. But it is true that his link is not a credible source of an impending crackdown by the ATF.
This post was edited on 8/31/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/31/19 at 2:08 pm to spyder
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:22 am to spyder
Boy,
AR15.com is the most credible source.
Hear me now and believe me later.
AR15.com is the most credible source.
Hear me now and believe me later.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 12:34 pm to beulahland
Posted on 9/6/19 at 9:30 pm to NOLAGT
That is a pretty fricked up ordeal. Going to be some pissed off AA12 owners.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 10:50 am to NOLAGT
A) still not a credible source. B) no one is coming to after your semi auto 12 gauges.
C) you remain of bunch of overly paranoid twats.
And as a caveat I own many guns which I am in no way fearful of any government entity taking.
C) you remain of bunch of overly paranoid twats.
And as a caveat I own many guns which I am in no way fearful of any government entity taking.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 11:08 am to lsufan1971
Wow, that's a mess. More evidence that for practical purposes, you need to wait for "legal" proof that you can own any newly designed firearm, such as the ATF letter of acceptance with the Shockwaves.
And as an aside, damn, that's one ugly gun. Looks like a 2x6 with a trigger and barrel.
Curious, do you stand any chance of suing for recovery of lost funds, once the gun is seized? I mean, I'm certain that buyers were assured that they were purchasing a legal-to-own firearm, and gave up some funds to get one.
And as an aside, damn, that's one ugly gun. Looks like a 2x6 with a trigger and barrel.
Curious, do you stand any chance of suing for recovery of lost funds, once the gun is seized? I mean, I'm certain that buyers were assured that they were purchasing a legal-to-own firearm, and gave up some funds to get one.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 11:23 am to spyder
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And as a caveat I own many guns which I am in no way fearful of any government entity taking.
Let me guess a Fudd.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:57 pm to spyder
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A) still not a credible source. B) no one is coming to after your semi auto 12 gauges. C) you remain of bunch of overly paranoid twats. And as a caveat I own many guns which I am in no way fearful of any government entity taking.
Because they would never do that, and this is all made up right
This post was edited on 9/7/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/7/19 at 1:02 pm to Scoob
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Curious, do you stand any chance of suing for recovery of lost funds, once the gun is seized? I mean, I'm certain that buyers were assured that they were purchasing a legal-to-own firearm, and gave up some funds to get one.
I can probably answer that one. No
like everyone will get reimbursed for there bump stocks that they were told were legal. Not running around paranoid of the government coming for our guns. But in this threads instance...they are.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 2:28 pm to NOLAGT
quote:I'm aware that the government will owe you no money, and re them, you'd be dependent on charity (like a buyback).quote:
Curious, do you stand any chance of suing for recovery of lost funds, once the gun is seized? I mean, I'm certain that buyers were assured that they were purchasing a legal-to-own firearm, and gave up some funds to get one.
I can probably answer that one. No like everyone will get reimbursed for there bump stocks that they were told were legal.
But I'd think you would have a case against the manufacturer or seller (especially in this case, as both entities are one and the same).
Something gets marketed as legal, they take your money, and then the government swoops in... almost sounds like fraudulent marketing. Manufacturer didn't do due diligance before bringing this to the market.
Seems like it would be a pretty easy civil judgement.
Now granted, you can't get blood out of a turnip and all that; they won't have a penny after the government is done with them.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 3:01 pm to spyder
ES&D prick! 
Posted on 9/8/19 at 6:47 pm to NOLAGT
This is a case where you tell the ATF man you sold the gun to someone else or lost it in a boating accident
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