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re: Rifle advice in budget 308
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:00 pm to secondandshort
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:00 pm to secondandshort
Buy a .308. It’s a nearly perfect all around North American caliber except for grizzly bears. Look at the Bergaras and Tikas, too. They get high marks for accuracy and their finishing beats the ones you listed (at least from the ones I’ve held).
If you want to go out west to shoot elk, get another gun and scope, though a .308 will work at the right ranges, with the right bullets, with the right placement. Though I’d opt for a 300 WM or 338 WM.
If you want to go out west to shoot elk, get another gun and scope, though a .308 will work at the right ranges, with the right bullets, with the right placement. Though I’d opt for a 300 WM or 338 WM.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 8:36 am
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:07 pm to saintsfan1977
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Who knows if in 10 years it's still here? I'd stick to a caliber with plenty of options. Bigger = 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag.
7 PRC is here to stay whether we like it or not, Hornady is going to pay good money to see to that. The question is if it replaces the 7 mag or just sits beside it on the list while they increase the twist rates on the 7 mag barrels to the same.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:13 pm to secondandshort
I would look for a used Ruger American
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:29 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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7 PRC is here to stay whether we like it or not, Hornady is going to pay good money to see to that. The question is if it replaces the 7 mag or just sits beside it on the list while they increase the twist rates on the 7 mag barrels to the same.
The 7mm rem mag is never going away. Neither is the 243, 30-06, 308, 270, 300 win mag, etc.
Hornady didn't come up with anything new. They are a marketing company that keeps pumping out new stuff to get people to buy it. It works but in no way are their niche cartridges better.
A 7mm rem mag with a 8 twist will beat a PRC because of case capacity. The 6.5 Creedmoor is not better than a 7mm-08, 260,or 6.5 Swede. It's a marketing gimmick. I 10 years from now the cartridges I listed will still be here. The same can't be said for Hornadys. The 6.8 Western and 277 Fury aren't going to make the 270 obsolete.
Stick with old calibers and you'll always find an assortment of ammo. I handload and I'm not buying a niche caliber. I learned my lesson with the 270wsm.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:00 am to saintsfan1977
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The 7mm rem mag is never going away. Neither is the 243, 30-06, 308, 270, 300 win mag, etc.
They don’t have to “go away” to be relegated to certain rifles, short production runs, or just not offered at all. Finding a particular rifle in stock chambered in the old standbys is getting harder by the day. Proof research has quit chambering 7 rem mag barrels in favor of 7 PRC. Has nothing to do with what’s actually better, it’s what is being marketed.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:42 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Finding a particular rifle in stock chambered in the old standbys is getting harder by the day
No it's not. Remington, Winchester, Savage, Tikka, and Sako, etc will keep pumping them out.
You know what they aren't making many of? 7mm RUM and the WSMs which came out only a few years ago. Gun manufacturers will keep putting out calibers that the ammunition manufacturers make ammo for. The 26, 28, and the 30 Nosler probably won't be in production in 10 years. Look at the 338 Lapua. Not many people buying that either.
If you want a new caliber that's fine but don't be surprised if ammo and brass become scarce.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:47 am to secondandshort
Howa
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:40 am to saintsfan1977
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No it's not.
Yes, it is. I said a particular rifle, not any rifle. I can have a gunsmith cut any chamber I want so nothing will ever truly go away, but there has been a definite trend in the availability of rifles and ammo on the shelf. I can watch ammoseek and maybe something will pop up, but this is what stores look like:
Cabela’s in Gonzales currently has four 7 rem mag rifles of any brand on their shelf, and one type of ammo for them.
For comparison, they have fourty-four 6.5CMs and twenty-two types of ammo, that I can go drive and pick up now.
Local academy has twenty-five 6.5CMs and zero 7RM.
I agree with you completely that’s dumb, but it’s a fact. The CM is over 15 years old so it’s not some flash in the pan. 7 PRC is getting the same marketing push that the 6.5 CM got.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:24 pm to saintsfan1977
I agree with saintsfan1977. I would stick to the tried and true calibers like 243,270,308, 30-06, 7mm mag and 300swm..if they are readily available. I mainly hunt lever guns but my bolt actions are all old calibers. I personally think the 30-06 is the best caliber out there and will kill anything in north America.Just my 2 cents
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:44 pm to secondandshort
New release from Savage the 110 Trail Hunter. Closed action similar to their target action, Hogue overmold stock, Accutrigger, threaded medium profile bbl for under 500
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 7:22 pm to LoneStarTiger
Didn't our military snipers use .308 to make 600 yd shots? .308 is good enough
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:07 pm to ecb
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Didn't our military snipers use .308 to make 600 yd shots? .308 is good enough
30-06 I thought? Probably both over the years.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:13 pm to ecb
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Didn't our military snipers use .308 to make 600 yd shots? .308 is good enough
Carlos hathcock used a 30-06 Chris Kyle preferred the 338lapua.
Im sure that they would have both used 6.5creedmores if they only had been invented lol
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:57 pm to Ol boy
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Chris Kyle preferred the 338lapua.
He used a .300 win mag the most from what I understand.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:09 pm to bbvdd
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He used a .300 win mag the most from what I understand
If I remember right from the book his longest shot was with the 338lapua. But I’m sure just like tiger woods could shoot par with clubs from Walmart he could have made the shot with the 300wm.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:33 pm to Ol boy
quote:looked like a Lapua-I watched the movie last night. Different rifle on the shorter shots earlier in the movie.
f I remember right from the book his longest shot was with the 338lapua.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 11:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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My old Daddy always said 'Son, Savage don't make no trash". That's all I got.
Savage Axis 2
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 11:02 pm to Ol boy
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If I remember right from the book his longest shot was with the 338lapua
Pretty sure that right, just used the .300 more.
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