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Rattlesnakes not rattling because of hogs
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:41 am
Some locals swear that our local timber rattlers no longer rattle warnings. Supposedly, this is some type of adaptation to avoid getting killed by feral hogs who hear the rattling.
Anyone experience this?
Anyone experience this?
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:12 pm to chinhoyang
Haven’t heard that yet, but I’m just here to say death to all feral hogs. frickin assholes
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:25 pm to chinhoyang
I don’t know if true but I’ve been hearing the same for years
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:52 pm to chinhoyang
Does Predation by Feral Hogs Cause Rattelsnakes to Stop Rattling
***long word salad article from Phd Certified Wildlife Biologist***
So the bottom line is that there is no scientific evidence to back up such claims. Rattlesnakes will rattle (or not rattle) when and where they feel like it, irrespective of the presence of feral hogs.
LINK
***long word salad article from Phd Certified Wildlife Biologist***
So the bottom line is that there is no scientific evidence to back up such claims. Rattlesnakes will rattle (or not rattle) when and where they feel like it, irrespective of the presence of feral hogs.
LINK
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:36 pm to weadjust
they don’t rattle at my place on Matagorda peninsula. Not even the big ones. And there’s plenty of them
also plenty of pigs but it could be coincidental
also plenty of pigs but it could be coincidental
Posted on 7/9/22 at 4:11 pm to cgrand
I know hogs work on stinky arse cottonmouths good.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 5:11 pm to jimjackandjose
we put dead rattlesnakes in the hog traps. They don’t last long
Posted on 7/9/22 at 5:25 pm to chinhoyang
The hogs have a sense of smell stronger than a bloodhound and can smell a snake from a great distance, they don't need to hear a rattle to know where a snake is. If anything, they don't rattle as an adaptation to humans who often wouldn't even know they walked by one except for the rattle, then the human kills it.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:19 pm to deeprig9
I doubt this. It would take many generations of most of the rattling rattlesnakes to get killed off prior to breeding for non-rattling rattle snakes to be predominant.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:22 pm to Tbone2
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I doubt this. It would take many generations of most of the rattling rattlesnakes to get killed off prior to breeding for non-rattling rattle snakes to be predominant.
I agree with you, I was just saying it is more likely to be human affected than pig affected, since pigs don't need to hear the rattle know where the snake is. But both are unlikely.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:47 pm to chinhoyang
This has been discussed here.
Since I have never seen a rattlesnake in the wild it may have been because he didn't rattle.
Maybe I am lucky.
Perhaps I don't tread on rattlesnake property.
Since I have never seen a rattlesnake in the wild it may have been because he didn't rattle.
Maybe I am lucky.
Perhaps I don't tread on rattlesnake property.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:31 pm to weadjust
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So the bottom line is that there is no scientific evidence to back up such claims. Rattlesnakes will rattle (or not rattle) when and where they feel like it, irrespective of the presence of feral hogs.
It does make sense in the grand scheme of survival of the fittest. In this case it isn’t that the snake that survives is more fit but more so if you rattle you give up your position and will be predated. So if there is a gene that makes you more prone to rattle then that gene would go away because they are more likely to be predated or think of it as less likely to reproduce and get their genes into next generation because they are frankly dead and can’t reproduce
I have heard theories about this with turkeys. Turkeys that are loudmouths are much more likely to be predated (by a four legged or two legged mammalian predator) I have given some thought to it and it does makes but whether or not it’s true may not be able to be proven
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:49 pm to chinhoyang
It certainly isn't stopping non venomous snakes from imitating rattlers. I am not going to handle a rattler to find out.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 8:06 pm to Ron Cheramie
Millions of years to evolve to have rattles for a very specific reason...that isn't going to start to reverse in 20-50 years.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 9:22 pm to chinhoyang
I spent a lot of time in south Texas (Cotulla area) in the oilfield from 2012-2015 and can confirm they weren’t rattling there, and the area was overrun with hogs.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:33 am to chinhoyang
I hunt with a friend in woodville. He says the same about rattlesnakes not rattling due to hogs. He was telling me the other day that the hog population has increased and snake sightings have dropped quite a bit in the 35 years he’s been hunting there.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:38 am to DMAN1968
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Millions of years to evolve to have rattles for a very specific reason...that isn't going to start to reverse in 20-50 years.
*Millions of years without feral hogs as predators
*The last 20-50 with hogs
Not saying it’s true or even able to be proven but it’s certainly up for discussion. There are critters that had to evolve rapidly in a changing environment
Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:53 am to Ron Cheramie
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Turkeys that are loudmouths are much more likely to be predated (by a four legged or two legged mammalian predator) I have given some thought to it and it does makes but whether or not it’s true may not be able to be proven
The entire reason they gobble is to attract as many mates as possible, so at best it’ll wash out.
Kinda like fish, some are genetically predisposed to aggression and are more likely to be caught on an artificial lure, but those same fish are going to have higher growth rates and likely reproduce more.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:08 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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The entire reason they gobble is to attract as many mates as possible, so at best it’ll wash out. Kinda like fish, some are genetically predisposed to aggression and are more likely to be caught on an artificial lure, but those same fish are going to have higher growth rates and likely reproduce more.
It’s definitely a trade off. Those critters that take the most chances are the ones that ultimately get to reproduce but they can’t do that if they don’t survive
You could say the same with bucks. The buck that has the larger home range has a better chance of breeding if he survives but also has a higher chance of getting killed
Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:19 am to Ron Cheramie
Or maybe the hogs just eat a decent size portion of the rattlers so less are seen and therefore less rattle?
Rattling only occurs in certain circumstances, I’ve ran into more than a few that didn’t rattle.
The only way a rattler would learn to not rattle is to be eaten or attacked. As said those genetics aren’t going away in a snake in only a handful of years. It’s more likely just anecdotal evidence in an area with slightly less snakes due to hogs.
Rattling only occurs in certain circumstances, I’ve ran into more than a few that didn’t rattle.
The only way a rattler would learn to not rattle is to be eaten or attacked. As said those genetics aren’t going away in a snake in only a handful of years. It’s more likely just anecdotal evidence in an area with slightly less snakes due to hogs.
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