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Question About Doe Harvest
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:49 pm
We need to take out some of our population, and are debating whether to shoot the big does with yearlings in tow, solo does (are they producers?), shoot a young tender one and leave the bigger ones to keep the herd healthy…? We don’t shoot any that have twins with them (self explanatory) but seems to be some divergence on which ones to take otherwise.
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:53 pm to Icansee4miles
Shoot the does that you can positively identify. Shoot your does early in the season.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:56 pm to Icansee4miles
What is the reasoning for needing to shoot them? Just curious. I would shoot spikes or small basket racks.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:59 pm to Bawpaw
They say a1-2 ratio is ideal
Bucks to does
Bucks to does
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:06 pm to Icansee4miles
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shoot a young tender one and leave the bigger ones to keep the herd healthy…?
If you are trying to reduce numbers then shoot the ones with two in tow they are certain to be reproducing. The ones with out a fawn may be reproducing but just to young still,fawn got killed.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:10 pm to Icansee4miles
you want to shoot an even cross section of does. not just the older big-nosed women, and not just the short-nosed girls. try to hit across the whole age range
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:11 pm to Icansee4miles
I tend to stay away from the ones with yearlings in tow though I think the yearlings would survive if they are with other does.
I take any mature doe that is largest of the group and doesn’t appear to have a yearling. I’m in agreement that they need to be taken more often than otherwise.
Our guys chase bucks but I’m more that happy to take any doe.
I take any mature doe that is largest of the group and doesn’t appear to have a yearling. I’m in agreement that they need to be taken more often than otherwise.
Our guys chase bucks but I’m more that happy to take any doe.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:21 pm to Icansee4miles
Doesn’t really matter what you shoot.
I’ve read about the 1:1 / 1:2 ratio. I talked to a biologist and he told me that those kind of figures are applied to areas that have a carry capacity like in Texas where brows is limited and in northern states with hard winters. Down here it’s really hard to have land over run with deer since our mortality rate is so high and the abundance of browse that’s available so late into the year
I’ve read about the 1:1 / 1:2 ratio. I talked to a biologist and he told me that those kind of figures are applied to areas that have a carry capacity like in Texas where brows is limited and in northern states with hard winters. Down here it’s really hard to have land over run with deer since our mortality rate is so high and the abundance of browse that’s available so late into the year
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:00 pm to Icansee4miles
I would just shoot until you get to the number you think you need to adequately thin out the does. Let the selection just naturally happen. I would shoot the older does if you can but sometimes that’s not possible. Also cull the old bucks not the young ones. Any yearling should be without spots now so they are fully weaned so I wouldn’t hesitate to take a doe with a yearling. Trouble with shooting does early is they all seem to have fawns so then you do have to be selective.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:45 pm to tigereye58
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Any yearling should be without spots now so they are fully weaned so I wouldn’t hesitate to take a doe with a yearling. Trouble with shooting does early is they all seem to have fawns so then you do have to be selective.
This. We will take a single doe without yearlings during bow season early but once rifle starts we only take does from the 2nd week in January until the end of the season depending on rut. Our rut is usually from the 2nd week in December until the end of the month if things are normal. We’ve seen instances of chasing as early as the end of bow season and we’ve seen them not be fully geared in the rut until mid January. But you’ve got to take your does each year regardless.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:51 pm to Icansee4miles
I read a study a few years ago. It said shoot does with yearlings. You know it’s a doe and the yearling survived just fine.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:08 pm to Icansee4miles
Deer University - Selective Doe Harvest
Per DU, shoot any doe you can until you aren’t just reducing density. Once numbers are in check, target yearling does. Mature does can better provide for fawns.
Per DU, shoot any doe you can until you aren’t just reducing density. Once numbers are in check, target yearling does. Mature does can better provide for fawns.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:43 am to Icansee4miles
I like shooting does with yearlings. If the yearling is a button Buck then it has a much higher possibility of staying in his mother’s home range than if she stayed alive.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:20 am to Icansee4miles
Shoot the Karen’s out the herd. Sound advice an old timer told me last year.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:53 am to Icansee4miles
Whatever doe blows at you or starts stomping gets shot first.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:43 pm to ABucks11
Never understood shooting the does early. I’d rather have them here for the rut then shoot them after. It’s the same doe and fawn (next years) that you are taking out. Shooting them late increases the pull for the bucks to your place.
And yes. Shoot the one with her head on a swivel. The one that blows, or the one that has learned to look UP and find you.
And yes. Shoot the one with her head on a swivel. The one that blows, or the one that has learned to look UP and find you.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:55 pm to latech15
You shoot does early so that you get a mouth off the range. Also, having more does during the rut stretches the rut out and wears your bucks down. All about herd health.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:37 pm to 257WBY
Yeah - I’m fine with another mouth. Plenty to eat here. Also, not terribly worried that the buck I’m trying to KILL is a little tired.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:54 pm to latech15
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, not terribly worried that the buck I’m trying to KILL is a little tired.
It’s because when the rut is over it takes them longer to get back in shape and therefore less resources directed to antler development the following year. Shorter rut means deer get back up to weight faster and can dedicate energy to antler development
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:14 pm to latech15
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Also, not terribly worried that the buck I’m trying to KILL is a little tired.
What’ll actually happen is you won’t kill him because he’ll find a doe as soon as he goes looking for one.
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