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Public Dove Field Baited in Georgia - Why?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:25 pm
On opening day, the DNR had to shut down the Hart County WMA Dove Field because it had been baited.
It's already managed for a variety of grains, millet and sunflower and whatnot, bush hogged, managed by the DNR.
Why in the world would someone go to the time and expense and criminality to illegally bait a field that is already legally "baited" by the DNR?
I have my theories, want to know what yall's theories are.
It dont make no see-unse.
It's already managed for a variety of grains, millet and sunflower and whatnot, bush hogged, managed by the DNR.
Why in the world would someone go to the time and expense and criminality to illegally bait a field that is already legally "baited" by the DNR?
I have my theories, want to know what yall's theories are.
It dont make no see-unse.
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:27 pm to deeprig9
Sounds like animal activists that don't want none of you baws shootin dem poor, poor birds.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:42 pm to deeprig9
quote:someone dove hunts nearby and didn’t want y’all shooting his birds.
I have my theories, want to know what yall's theories are
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:11 pm to deeprig9
If was bush-hogged then that may be considered manipulation not consistent with normal farming practices? I have a buddy that used to hunt ducks in Kansas. He says the ducks would hang out on the refuges in flooded corn fields that no one could hunt. They would hunt these lakes around the refuge where the ducks would occasionally go. They were coming out and the federal game wardens started to arrest them for baiting since the mallards were all full of corn. He said it took them over an hour explaining to the warden that the mallards were eating the corn on the refuge. Point is some game wardens don’t know their shite.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:12 pm to Wolfmanjack
In GA, bush hog is normal agriculture practice and it is the DNR that does it, for the hunting public. I don't know what Kansas does.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:20 pm to deeprig9
Not normal to bush hog your crop before you harvest it. Definitely a no no in Louisiana. In Louisiana you can leave the crop standing and hunt it but let’s say you ride your 4 wheeler all through it to knock the seed off then you have broken the law if hunt over it. Lots of gray area in there as well as what is “normal farming practices”. Mr green jeans loves to write tickets, that’s what he does.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:29 pm to Wolfmanjack
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Not normal to bush hog your crop before you harvest it.
It is perfectly legal to Bushhog standing crops and then hunt over them.
For instance, the crop might not be economical to harvest. So you might elect to Bushhog it down to get the ground ready for next year.
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is legal and what isn't. But state agencies, WMAs, even Federal refuges mow strips, burn, and otherwise manipulate planted crops and native vegetation to attract migratory birds.
Perfectly legal and accepted practice.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:38 pm to Wolfmanjack
Green jeans can't write tickets on a field they prepped for the public to hunt on. As for Louisiana practices, on Sandy Hollow WMA's public field they bush hog then they burn off the stubble to expose the seeds for the doves. Someone sabotaged the hunt, prolly PETA types since it wouldn't help a neighbors hunt if all his doves were sitting unmolested on a baited field next door.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:50 pm to Wolfmanjack
quote:. That’s correct with ducks but not correct with doves. With doves you can burn, mow, disk, strip, all that as long as you don’t bring seed back into the field
Not normal to bush hog your crop before you harvest it. Definitely a no no in Louisiana. In Louisiana you can leave the crop standing and hunt it but let’s say you ride your 4 wheeler all through it to knock the seed off then you have broken the law if hunt over it. Lots of gray area in there as well as what is “normal farming practices”. Mr green jeans loves to write tickets, that’s what he does.
For ducks the “normal ag practices” is a misnomer. It’s not normal ag practice to plant corn and flood it up to the ears but it’s legal for ducks
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:51 pm to 007mag
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Green jeans can't write tickets on a field they prepped for the public to hunt on.
If someone goes in an dumps piles of wheat or bird seed or whatever in the field then yeah they would shut it down because it is baited
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:55 pm to deeprig9
Clearly to stop people from hunting it. It would only take 10 minutes to ruin what is for some their only opportunity to hunt dove.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:58 pm to plazadweller
We still only have partial info on this story. It could have just been some baw dumping a few bags of bird seed to draw birds where he planned on hunting
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:16 am to Ron Cheramie
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We still only have partial info on this story. It could have just been some baw dumping a few bags of bird seed to draw birds where he planned on hunting
Most likely this. I’m as red as anyone but there’s constant stories of Peta attempting things like this, putting in for lottery hunts and not showing up, etc. and in my experience most of it is false. PETA folks usually make it known when they are around like they’d go stand in the middle of the dove field wearing rainbow colors. Very very rarely does anyone peta do some sort of covert type of action no matter what anyone thinks. It’s usually some redneck out rednecking himself.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:54 am to deeprig9
Doves are a migratory game bird and taking of a migratory bird falls under federal regulations. LINK
Read this before you “manipulate” your dove fields. I’m telling you guys that “normal ag practices” are very gray areas and green jeans don’t play.
l) Manipulation means the alteration of natural vegetation or agricultural crops by activities that include but are not limited to mowing, shredding, discing, rolling, chopping, trampling, flattening, burning, or herbicide treatments. The term manipulation does not include the distributing or scattering of grain, seed, or other feed after removal
This is directly from the federal regulations. Personally I don’t care if you put out a thousand pounds of milo and shoot your doves but green jeans does.
Read this before you “manipulate” your dove fields. I’m telling you guys that “normal ag practices” are very gray areas and green jeans don’t play.
l) Manipulation means the alteration of natural vegetation or agricultural crops by activities that include but are not limited to mowing, shredding, discing, rolling, chopping, trampling, flattening, burning, or herbicide treatments. The term manipulation does not include the distributing or scattering of grain, seed, or other feed after removal
This is directly from the federal regulations. Personally I don’t care if you put out a thousand pounds of milo and shoot your doves but green jeans does.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 7:13 am to Wolfmanjack
Straight from the MS dove program;
Manipulation is fine as long as the manipulation is in line with standard practice. You can’t top seed something that’s normally covered, or re-sow in quick succession. These are the ones that get people in trouble.
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Can part of a field be bushhogged at different times, such as four rows now and four rows later, and so on?
Yes. Manipulating a standing crop in this fashion is the most reliable way to attract doves over a longer period of time and to avoid any uncertainty regarding the legality of the practice to attract doves for hunting.
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What can I do to have a legal field and a good dove shoot?
The best way is to plant a grain crop preferred by doves that will ripen just prior to the time you want to hunt. After the grain is ripe and before the hunt, it may be knocked down or bushhogged. Preferred grains in Mississippi include both browntop millet and sunflowers. Maintaining bare ground areas by disking throughout the planted areas also will help attract doves.
Manipulation is fine as long as the manipulation is in line with standard practice. You can’t top seed something that’s normally covered, or re-sow in quick succession. These are the ones that get people in trouble.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 1:13 pm to deeprig9
The head of Ga DNR told me a few years ago that Ga baiting laws are so strict he quit dove hunting.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 1:17 pm to baldona
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It’s usually some redneck out rednecking himself.
My cousins had permission to hunt a field. It was a couple of hours away and they'd never been there before. They showed up to hunt and the pissy redneck neighbor got upset because he had baited the field every year. He called the warden and tipped him off. After some trouble they got out of all tickets and the neighbor got hit was a bunch of federal charges. I don't remember the details of how they got out of it.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 1:33 pm to Wolfmanjack
You should bow out...you're in over your head
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:12 pm to Bucktail1
I’ve got no dog in this fight cause I couldn’t give 2 shites about dove hunting. I can read the federal regulations as I provided the link and a direct quote. Nowhere in those federal regulations does it specify what a “normal agricultural practice” but it damn sure does say you can’t mow it down. This is the gray area I speak of. All it takes is a warden to write you that ticket if he thinks you did something wrong even though “that’s the way we’ve been doing it for years”. Then you have to go before the federal judge who may interpret that law any damn way he/she pleases. Good luck to all you dove hunters. I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers here. I’ve dealt with mr green jeans before. Hell I used to work for the ldwf so I have seen some fricked up shite they do.
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