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re: proposed speck and redfish changes
Posted on 7/3/23 at 3:46 pm to LARancher1991
Posted on 7/3/23 at 3:46 pm to LARancher1991
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I'd imagine it's hard to set size and bag limits regionally for fishing
Texas... florida... shite I remember when they lied to us about big lake
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:08 pm to maisweh
It absolutely kills me that people just go along with this nonsense because they won’t openly question the information they’re being fed. I have no issue at all with conservation, but it has to make sense. Like I said earlier this seems like a preemptive move for when the trout fishing really gets lousy when the open all these unnecessary diversions.
I agree with something needing to be done and that’s dredging and building marsh back up.
Every one of these diversions is sold the same way, and nothing ever improves except the bass fishing. How much land has the Davis Pond diversion created? The last time I was in Lafitte, land was disappearing at an obscene rate.
I agree with something needing to be done and that’s dredging and building marsh back up.
Every one of these diversions is sold the same way, and nothing ever improves except the bass fishing. How much land has the Davis Pond diversion created? The last time I was in Lafitte, land was disappearing at an obscene rate.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:09 pm to catchyalater
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I think honestly a lot of people don't fish enough to know how much has changed recently.
I think this is at least part of it. I think people who only fish the sound in the summer or under birds in late spring/early fall do not have as deep an understanding of the fishery of those who fish year round. Not saying they are better or worse just that getting snapshots of reports is not the same as being closely connected to guides, commercial fisherman, and rec guys who fish multiple times a week year round.
It really is frustrating that this issue becomes so divisive. We all want what’s best for the fishery (I hope so at least) so we are just flapping gums about what that means exactly. Some people would rather err on the side of caution and others think giving up the current recs is either unnecessary or not worth sacrifice. You can make a good argument for either side and find credible people supporting both perspectives.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:50 pm to hall59tiger
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closely connected to guides, commercial fisherman, and rec guys who fish multiple times a week year round.
Who says that isn’t part of my perspective
Posted on 7/3/23 at 4:56 pm to hall59tiger
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It really is frustrating that this issue becomes so divisive. We all want what’s best for the fishery (I hope so at least) so we are just flapping gums about what that means exactly. Some people would rather err on the side of caution and others think giving up the current recs is either unnecessary or not worth sacrifice.
I agree with you 100%, but the ldwf should get the ugly end of the stick pointed at them here. Why can’t they produce any credible study on why they are doing what they are doing? If I felt there was an actual problem, I’d want limits reduced as well. It just seems this is a knee jerk reaction they’ve had their hearts set on from 3yrs ago. I remember the articles that were written 3yrs ago with the “people who fish every day” from Venice to grand isle screaming they couldn’t catch a speckled trout to save their life. Where are those articles now and why aren’t the same guides speaking out still?
No one wants to move with the fish, but they expect them to be in the same spots no matter what else may be going on in the ecosystem.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 5:03 pm to TJG210
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Why can’t they produce any credible study on why they are doing what they are doing? If I felt there was an actual problem, I’d want limits reduced as well. It just seems this is a knee jerk reaction they’ve had their hearts set on from 3yrs ago. I remember the articles that were written 3yrs ago with the “people who fish every day” from Venice to grand isle screaming they couldn’t catch a speckled trout to save their life. Where are those articles now and why aren’t the same guides speaking out still
This.
Weren't they gill netting after they opened the spillway?
Posted on 7/3/23 at 6:34 pm to choupiquesushi
I can tell you what’s killing the redfish numbers……. Everybody and their BNL having a surface drive and going bow fishing. You can wipe out an area quick with bow fishing.
Second is all these diversion projects now a days. I am now catching bass In one of my best winter redfish spots!
Second is all these diversion projects now a days. I am now catching bass In one of my best winter redfish spots!
Posted on 7/3/23 at 6:38 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
Yeap to both of those……I find bow fishing abhorrent.
Indiscriminately killing fish and the surface drives tear up the marsh.
Indiscriminately killing fish and the surface drives tear up the marsh.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:05 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
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Everybody and their BNL having a surface drive and going bow fishing. You can wipe out an area quick with bow fishing.
The number of boats bow fishing is minuscule compared to rod and reel fisherman. Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t make it a problem.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:12 pm to TJG210
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Indiscriminately killing fish and the surface drives tear up the marsh.
Nothing indiscriminate about it… and I’ve got a hard time understanding how you think a surface drive tears up the marsh by putt putting along banks.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:24 pm to Theduckhunter
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I’ve got a hard time understanding how you think a surface drive tears up the marsh by putt putting along banks
Wouldn't be so bad if that was the true extent but we both know that's not the case. Plenty of bank gets chewed up getting it off the bank or unstuck
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:34 pm to TJG210
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I agree with you 100%, but the ldwf should get the ugly end of the stick pointed at them here. Why can’t they produce any credible study on why they are doing what they are doing? If I felt there was an actual problem, I’d want limits reduced as well. It just seems this is a knee jerk reaction they’ve had their hearts set on from 3yrs ago.
Well according to their studies, the numbers have been in decline since early 2000's, yet every time a reduction is on the table, they say they need to re-evaluate how they do their studies. Its crazy!!
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:46 pm to TopWaterTiger
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Well according to their studies, the numbers have been in decline since early 2000's, yet every time a reduction is on the table, they say they need to re-evaluate how they do their studies. Its crazy!!
Please direct me to these studies. Last one I’m aware of was conducted in River water. Also, why are they trying to push this through at a meeting during a holiday week?
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:47 pm to Theduckhunter
Never said I didn’t like it……. Hell I have even done it several times. Just Saying there are a lot of charters that run bow fishing trips and several ppl in the public have their own rigs.
At least with a rod and reel the fish has a chance to get off the line or have a chance to get thrown back.
At least with a rod and reel the fish has a chance to get off the line or have a chance to get thrown back.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:47 pm to Saskwatch
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Wouldn't be so bad if that was the true extent but we both know that's not the case. Plenty of bank gets chewed up getting it off the bank or unstuck
I’ve never seen any damaged marsh in the areas I fish around Cocodrie. If you’ve got some evidence to back up your statements I’d like to see it. The bottom line is, you can follow the trails in the mud of popular bowfishing areas and they don’t ever lead to any damage to vegetation. That’s a poor argument to try and convince ignorant people that bowfishing is a bad thing.
I don’t disagree that the joy riders that are constantly posting videos jumping things may do some damage, but that has nothing to do with bowfishing.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:54 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
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At least with a rod and reel the fish has a chance to get off the line or have a chance to get thrown back.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I mostly catch and release them with a rod… so I can make up for when we shoot them with a bow.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 7:59 pm to Theduckhunter
That’s honestly not a huge problem.
I think all this fresh water they are pumping in now in places is a huge problem. There are several spot across lake decade I used to catch redfish like crazy! Now I’m catching bass and fresh water cats. I’m all about rebuilding the marsh but there needs to be an equal balance.
I think all this fresh water they are pumping in now in places is a huge problem. There are several spot across lake decade I used to catch redfish like crazy! Now I’m catching bass and fresh water cats. I’m all about rebuilding the marsh but there needs to be an equal balance.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:08 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
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I’m all about rebuilding the marsh but there needs to be an equal balance.
I know we’re getting slightly off topic, but any evidence this is actually working to do that? I haven’t seen any concrete evidence.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:18 pm to Theduckhunter
A few bow hunter charters rolling out in the shallow ponds every night with enough lights to light up Tiger Stadium is definitely impacting things. But don’t take my word, ask the guides that have been fishing these areas for years. But at least they practice stick and release for the ones outside the slot. 
Posted on 7/4/23 at 2:03 am to TJG210
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Who says that isn’t part of my perspective
It may be. That was more directed at everyone saying the people who want more restrictions don’t have any evidence to support that idea.
The problem is that it is nearly impossible to definitively tell what condition the trout are currently in and what impact rec anglers have on the stock.
The side against the recs flippantly dismisses or cherry picks all research showing a decline and the side supporting the recs think the ldwf is infallible. Neither is right. You have to just piece together information as best you can and come to your own conclusions.
Personal biases also come into play here. It’s hard for me to entirely trust guides knowing how much they think they stand to lose with new recs. They think their anecdotal evidence is the final say without realizing how much ego and personal preservation comes into play.
That’s why I personally trust the opinion of guys like Angelo’s Apeitos and Greg Stunz. These guys stand to gain nothing either way and think we would benefit from tighter restrictions.
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