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re: proposed speck and redfish changes
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:26 pm to hall59tiger
Posted on 7/4/23 at 3:26 pm to hall59tiger
I take clients fishing in the Big Bend area of Florida 4 times a year and we can only keep 1 red per angler and the captain doesn’t count as an angler. We can keep 5 trout per angler. Slots on reds is 17-27 so we might catch 5 or 6 15-16s for every slot keeper. Still a ton of fun. Struggle to limit on trout some days. We might catch 70 trout but again it’s 10 12-14s for every slot keeper. Usually hook up with plenty of sheepshead, Black Drum, spanish macks, etc..so the chest is always full.
I didn’t realize that LA. still had higher limits until this thread. Haven’t fished there in 8 years.
I didn’t realize that LA. still had higher limits until this thread. Haven’t fished there in 8 years.
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:30 pm to LARancher1991
I agree 100% when they attempt the make these changes CCA or someone should sue the department and the Zapata and ask for environment assessment of pogy boat industry.
BTW the video they always show of redfish being netted is Zapata pogy boats in from the Moss Point plant. David Saucer of Pascagoula and his brother took the video. How can you address red fish mortality without addressing the people that caused the federal ban.
BTW the video they always show of redfish being netted is Zapata pogy boats in from the Moss Point plant. David Saucer of Pascagoula and his brother took the video. How can you address red fish mortality without addressing the people that caused the federal ban.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:56 am to hall59tiger
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It really is frustrating that this issue becomes so divisive.
It really is. And look, I get it for some folks. They don't get to go out every week, when they do, it can be a $500 trip when you include towing gas, boat gas, live bait, and whatever else. Especially for people who don't live as close to the marinas as I do.
That's a lot of money to spend to only come home with 15 trout.
But, there seems to be a head-in-the sand attitude about a simple fact - our coast line is not just a finite resource - it's a DWINDLING RESOURCE.
That dwindling resource is also facing increased pressure from Pogey Boats, Habitat Loss, and an uptake in Recreational Angling. Something has to give. That's just a fact.
Hopefully, cooler heads prevail and sensible action happens at the state level. Maintaining status quo is just not an option.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:28 am to catchyalater
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That dwindling resource is also facing increased pressure from Pogey Boats, Habitat Loss, and an uptake in Recreational Angling.
The pogey boats is an easy fix, but the state legislature keeps their head in the sand on it. The CCA should run a gill net type marketing campaign to show the rest of the general public what these boats are doing. At some point the representatives will get enough heat from the general public they’ll have no choice, but to act.
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Something has to give. That's just a fact.
I don’t necessarily agree, but why not change the limit to 20? 15 is a colossal jump down.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:52 am to TJG210
quote:The mortality rate of 12 inch and below fish released can't be very good.
Should I go out, catch my 15 and play catch and release to a bunch more that will end up in the belly of a dolphin or shark?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:59 am to TutHillTiger
quote:pogey boats didn't cause federal ban- purse seines and spotter planes for blackened redfish did.
How can you address red fish mortality without addressing the people that caused the federal ban
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:22 am to choupiquesushi
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The mortality rate of 12 inch and below fish released can't be very good.
Mortality Rate Study for Released Speckled Trout
If they are hooked in lip it's pretty good. If gut hooked then not so much.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:55 am to choupiquesushi
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The mortality rate of 12 inch and below fish released can't be very good.
It’s less than 10% and that number decreases as angler skill level increases.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:17 pm to TJG210
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I don’t necessarily agree, but why not change the limit to 20? 15 is a colossal jump down.
This is a good conversation to have and a reasonable one. Far better than saying nothing should change at all and that's really my point.
I don't have a say on policy matters but if that made it more palatable for folks that's fine with me.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:13 am to choupiquesushi
quote:Now the spotter planes are just for pogeys….and a ton of bull reds and other “bycatch” that get caught in the pogey nets
pogey boats didn't cause federal ban- purse seines and spotter planes for blackened redfish did.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:04 pm to Tiger Prawn
Anyone tune into the board meeting today? Whole meeting lasted from 9:30-2:45ish with a break because the fire alarm went off.
Baseline, LDWF tabled trout decisions but recommended 3 redfish, 18-25inch slot and none over 26.
Fly Guides really put it on em in support for the decrease in redfish harvest. Took some shots to the bowfishing guides, which we knew was coming.
Trout discussion was a cluster, lasted all of 3-4 hours with a tabled decision at the end of the day.
Folks were fired up in there today.
Baseline, LDWF tabled trout decisions but recommended 3 redfish, 18-25inch slot and none over 26.
Fly Guides really put it on em in support for the decrease in redfish harvest. Took some shots to the bowfishing guides, which we knew was coming.
Trout discussion was a cluster, lasted all of 3-4 hours with a tabled decision at the end of the day.
Folks were fired up in there today.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:21 pm to Speckledredflounder
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Baseline, LDWF tabled trout decisions but recommended 3 redfish, 18-25inch slot and none over 27.
3 redfish wtf….
I thought 4 was a bit drastic, 3 is absurd. What do you mean 18-25” slot with none over 27? What about 26?
I’m not sure how I feel about none over 27”, that being said I never keep anything that big. Shouldn’t there be some culling of fish that size or do we just leave that to the pogey boats?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:27 pm to Speckledredflounder
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Fly Guides really put it on em in support for the decrease in redfish harvest
How many fly guides could there really be? In 40+ yrs, I can probably count on one hand the times I’ve seen people fly fishing in the marsh.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:29 pm to TJG210
quote:in SE la it's pretty big thing heck at one time there were 5 operating from the little launches behind the plaq parish sheriffs office shooting range..
How many fly guides could there really be? In 40+ yrs, I can probably count on one hand the times I’ve seen people fly fishing in the marsh.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:31 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:I was present for a widely spread video of this, I was fishing with a friend of mine that is a capt. on a just us trip - saw it with my own eyes also saw a dead tarpon after.
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pogey boats didn't cause federal ban- purse seines and spotter planes for blackened redfish did.
Now the spotter planes are just for pogeys….and a ton of bull reds and other “bycatch” that get caught in the pogey nets
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:33 pm to Speckledredflounder
quote:Fly guys absolutely despise bow fishing, it's no secret because quite a few acres of prime fly fishing marsh got put under lock and gate because of bow guys rolling in it all night every night.
Fly Guides really put it on em in support for the decrease in redfish harvest. Took some shots to the bowfishing guides, which we knew was coming
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:35 pm to choupiquesushi
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plaq parish sheriffs office shooting range..
Lol that’s the general area I’ve seen most, if not all of them
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:49 pm to TJG210
quote:that area is kinda not the prime area any more.
Lol that’s the general area I’ve seen most, if not all of them
fly fishermen like clearer water. and HUGE chunks of that marsh became off limits when two landowners got tired of bow fisherman running through duck leases all night - which coincided with a LARGE drop in duck numbers in that area(habitat degradation probably had more to do with it than duck numbers). but a lot of folks do come here to fly fish for reds and they pay well to do it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:54 pm to choupiquesushi
We used to have a camp in lake hermitage and that was my main experience encountering, that being said I haven’t fished that area in years. Mainly fish out of cocodrie now and have never seen any. Though I generally target specks.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:54 pm to TJG210
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What about 26?
Sorry, I don’t proofread.
No reds 26 and over.
I’ve only known 1 red, 27 and over so it’s engraved in my brain. My bad for misspeaking.
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