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re: proposed speck and redfish changes

Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:10 pm to
It really seems like they are doing things just for the sake of doing things. Any rhyme or reason 26” now? Realistically how many fish are caught and kept right at 27”?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
31458 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:02 pm to
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We used to have a camp in lake hermitage and that was my main experience encountering, that being said I haven’t fished that area in years. Mainly fish out of cocodrie now and have never seen any. Though I generally target specks.
camp on deer range in my formative years... used to hammer specks in laurier and bay 5... reds OH MY
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28559 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:06 pm to
My cousin had a camp on that canal as well. Don’t forget the reds in bay round.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
31458 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:12 am to
Or bayou DuPont
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:35 am to
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Fly Guides really put it on em in support for the decrease in redfish harvest. Took some shots to the bowfishing guides, which we knew was coming.

Of course. Fly guides would probably be in favor of 1 fish trout limits with catch and release reds only and make live bait illegal also
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:41 am to
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Fly guides would probably be in favor of 1 fish trout limits with catch and release reds only and make live bait illegal also


This is true. They aren't harvesting fish. I'm ok with the the new regs but I can understand why some take issue.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5636 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:53 am to
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Of course. Fly guides would probably be in favor of 1 fish trout limits with catch and release reds only and make live bait illegal also


That's pretty dramatic. They just make their living off of redfish and see the decline of the numbers in the fishery (whatever the cause) firsthand more than any other guides do.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:17 am to
Do you think recreational fishing(harvest) is part of the problem with reds?
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5636 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:28 am to
My personal opinion is that recreational harvest isn’t a major part of the problem, but it’s not helping anything. If you remove bowfishing and its effects on the actual physical location of redfish, I think the effects are even more minor.

That being said, I’ve watched the significant decline in the quality of the fishery over the last 7-10 years and I’m at the point where I think that anything that isn’t helping is hurting. So, if the science suggests that a decrease in recreational limits will help remedy the problem, which it does, then I’m all for it until the population recovers. I think the primary culprits for the decline in redfish numbers are pogie fishermen and decline in habitat and it’s infuriating to me that the state isn’t taking a more aggressive stance against the pogie industry.

I also understand why some take issue with the regulation because of governmental overreach and frustration with the government failing to address the problem as a whole. I share those sentiments to an extent, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread (I think), failing to address one issue is not a good excuse for failing to address another.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 10:31 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:31 am to
Posted by Taxman2010
In The Woods
Member since Jan 2022
545 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:38 am to
I agree with the government overreach point, but the sad reality is that without the gov regulations the recreational fishermen would destroy the fishery in a few years.

Pogey issue also needs to be addressed but I have a feeling that industry is in the right people's pockets.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
31458 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:48 am to
Excellent points but our rapidly declining habitat is probably the single biggest issue , the barararia estuary is a shell of what it was 10,20,30, 40 and 50 years ago(I can only go back 50 years??). As a kid I can remember filling an ice chest from the bank behind Freeport Sulphur with - big specks reds sheep’s and flounder - now that would take a week plus of non stop fishing
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
17061 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:30 am to
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Excellent points but our rapidly declining habitat is probably the single biggest issue


I would agree. Not only an issue for targeted fish species either. I would have to imagine that there is a decrease in forage proportionate to square miles of marsh erosion. I don't think there is a major decline in crab fisherman. I don't see as many shrimp boats but still plenty around. All for commercial fishing guys making a profitable living but seems out of whack that we are shipping crabs and shrimp to all ends of the country. I think it'd help out if was more of a regional thing. I don't have the answer but seems like something could be figured out there.
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4222 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:58 am to
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without the gov regulations the recreational fishermen would destroy the fishery in a few years.

Without current government regs or proposed regs? I see more dead redfish from pogey boats than I do people catching.
Sooooo, recs might not be the problem
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4222 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:59 am to
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don't see as many shrimp boats but still plenty around.

Because they dont make enough money, all older people and their kids don't want to continue. When the sheds are paying pennies compared to what they sell for on the side of the road
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
82922 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:14 pm to
The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission has adopted a Notice of Intent (NOI) to change the red drum harvest regulations in the following ways:
? Change the red drum size limit from a 16-inch minimum size limit and a 27-inch maximum size limit to an 18-inch minimum size limit total length and a 24-inch maximum size limit total length.
?Red drum's daily take and possession limit will be reduced from five fish per day to three fish per day
? The retention of any red drum above the maximum size limit of 24 inches total length will be prohibited
? The retention of red drum by captain and crew on charter or head boats will be prohibited. Charter guides and crew will still be allowed to engage in fishing on charter trips to demonstrate how to catch red drum, but will not be allowed to retain red drum toward any limit on the vessel.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
4695 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:47 pm to
From Texas this is all I have
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28559 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:48 pm to
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The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission has adopted a Notice of Intent (NOI) to change the red drum harvest regulations in the following ways:


I thought any changes were tabled?
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28559 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:50 pm to
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So, if the science suggests that a decrease in recreational limits


But the problem is that there is no science behind it. Has the ldwf done/released stock assessments in the last 2yrs?
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4222 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:27 pm to
LINK

Sorry for the facebook link, but this is the problem yet they pass the blame on receiving guys and cut our limits.
And yall applaud this nonsense
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