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Older gents…switching to a red dot to shoot pistols
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:21 am
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:21 am
Is it both eyes open, or a traditional aim technique?
I can see the target very well, but without glasses (that would prevent me from seeing the target) I can’t line up the irons very well. Trying the big dot, 6.5 MOA…and I hope it helps.
Never shot one, hence the two eyes open question. Is this a difficult transition?
I can see the target very well, but without glasses (that would prevent me from seeing the target) I can’t line up the irons very well. Trying the big dot, 6.5 MOA…and I hope it helps.
Never shot one, hence the two eyes open question. Is this a difficult transition?
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:44 am to Gaston
Can be but if you practice finding the dot it becomes much easier. I was ready to sell my venom until the smith who mounted it told me to just practice.
Don’t get discouraged.
Don’t get discouraged.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:57 am to KemoSabe65
Oh I know it won’t be easy, the gun was never easy to shoot when I could see. Within the last few years I put some night sights on it…and I hate to totally obstruct that…but that big dot up front wasn’t helping much anyway.
Guessing I’ll have trim up my Kydex holster as well.
Guessing I’ll have trim up my Kydex holster as well.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:47 am to Gaston
Shoot with both eyes open. If you are in the Baton Rouge area. I highly suggest FRC shooting range Red Dot Optics training class.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:51 am to Gaston
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Trying the big dot, 6.5 MOA
Using a Holosun EPS 6MOA on my carry gun. As you get older the bigger dots work better at least for me. I am right handed but left eye dominate. The good lord cursed me.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:56 am to Jugheadlsu
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FRC shooting range Red Dot Optics training class
I bring my son over to BR for football camps, I could definitely take the ride for myself. Be nice to have a few pointers.
Always interesting to shoot my gun indoors, not sure how the 357 sig has such a distinct sound…but I always get comments.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:57 am to lsufan1971
10 years ago I would have bought a smaller dot…now, I’m just hoping the big one is clear.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:04 am to Gaston
I just purchased the 407k green 6 Moa dot on 365x. I have the 507k red on all other pistols 2 MOA dot. I will say for close distances I like the larger dot so far. Also like the green dot more than red dot
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:28 am to Jugheadlsu
Green wasn’t an option on the one I got. I have an old, odd shaped pistol and there were very few direct mount (with machining) options. I went with the RMRcc since I could find photos with it mounted and it looked good.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:01 am to Gaston
Don’t go into it determined to use one technique. Some guys have the best sight picture with both open, others with one, and some with one eye squinted.
Eyes are different. Obviously both open (if it works for you) gives you the most awareness, but anyone who says it’s the only way is full of it.
Eyes are different. Obviously both open (if it works for you) gives you the most awareness, but anyone who says it’s the only way is full of it.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:13 am to scottyd
I have several pistols with Holosun Red Dot sights. Makes all the difference with my aging eyes. I like the circle dot best as it is easier to find.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:38 am to jimbeaux82
Lots and lots of practice and time. Both eyes open, and target focus, not sight focus. I shot with my reading glasses before switching to a dot, but now no need for glasses. The only drawback is once you get use to it, you will not want to carry a handgun without a dot. Its a game changer.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:48 am to Gaston
Personal home experiment: HOLOSUN 407 REFLEX SIGHT 3MOA SHAKE AWAKE - HS407A3 X2
Stage 1) The red dot stays on target whether one eye is closed or both eyes are open.
Stage 2) The red dot stays on target even if you move your head and the co-witness irons sights are not lined up.
Stage 3) Hold red dot on target and have your son turn the lights on and off.
Observations: Both eyes open gives a better field of view. Co-Witness sights disappear in dark bedroom.
Conclusions: Both eyes open and put the red dot on what you want to hit. Don't worry about the co-witness iron sights.
Stage 1) The red dot stays on target whether one eye is closed or both eyes are open.
Stage 2) The red dot stays on target even if you move your head and the co-witness irons sights are not lined up.
Stage 3) Hold red dot on target and have your son turn the lights on and off.
Observations: Both eyes open gives a better field of view. Co-Witness sights disappear in dark bedroom.
Conclusions: Both eyes open and put the red dot on what you want to hit. Don't worry about the co-witness iron sights.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 12:12 pm to Gaston
Unless you're shooting bullseye competitions, you should be shooting with both eyes open anyway.
As you age, yes, your vision shifts to long(er) ranges and closeup stuff becomes blurry (hence the need for reading glasses).
That being said, your eyes can only focus on a single plane at a time. Things that are closer in depth to your focal point will be *more* in focus, but not completely in focus.
Your front sight post should be crystal clear, your rear sight notch *slightly* blurry, and the target blurry. (Because the difference in depth between rear sight notch and front sight post is only inches vs. target/front sight post difference being feet/yards.)
Before you say with any finality that you "can't see your sights", check to see if your front sight is in crystal clear focus. If, at full presentation, you can see your front sight post in focus, then it's not your eyes.
Red dots are single plane, so you can just stick the dot on the target and let it rip.
Everything stays 100% the same as far as draw stroke, presentation, etc. You just have to retrain your eyes/brain to pick up the dot vs. picking up the sight alignment/sight picture created by the front sight post and rear sight notch.
You can get that with dry-fire.
As you age, yes, your vision shifts to long(er) ranges and closeup stuff becomes blurry (hence the need for reading glasses).
That being said, your eyes can only focus on a single plane at a time. Things that are closer in depth to your focal point will be *more* in focus, but not completely in focus.
Your front sight post should be crystal clear, your rear sight notch *slightly* blurry, and the target blurry. (Because the difference in depth between rear sight notch and front sight post is only inches vs. target/front sight post difference being feet/yards.)
Before you say with any finality that you "can't see your sights", check to see if your front sight is in crystal clear focus. If, at full presentation, you can see your front sight post in focus, then it's not your eyes.
Red dots are single plane, so you can just stick the dot on the target and let it rip.
Everything stays 100% the same as far as draw stroke, presentation, etc. You just have to retrain your eyes/brain to pick up the dot vs. picking up the sight alignment/sight picture created by the front sight post and rear sight notch.
You can get that with dry-fire.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 1:18 pm to Clyde Tipton
I’m not sure I’ll have suppressor height irons. We’ll see.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:45 pm to Gaston
It takes practice but once you start to get the hang of it, I personally think is't much easier to keep both eyes open when using a red dot.
The only hard part is developing muscle memory of coming up on target and having the red dot in the right position to pick it up. That will take a little while.
The only hard part is developing muscle memory of coming up on target and having the red dot in the right position to pick it up. That will take a little while.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:48 pm to Gaston
I'm "older" (to say the least).
I shot IPSC, three gun and IDPA for years before the youngsters stsrted smoking me.
I transitioned to red dots a few years ago. I'm a mostly point and shoot guy still to this day with 50+ years of competition pistol shooting experience (I was even on the ACE Board that shot M9s (92Fs) in Italy back in the early 80s when I was with the old 509th 4/325 Pistol Teams under Nuke'm Needham in Vicenza when we were thinking of transitioning from 1911s to 92s.)
I shot Ernie Langdons for over two decades.
I went to P226s and now P320s.
My competitive days are over even though I still reload and put 10k+ rounds of 9mm a year downrange on my own steel range here on my property.
I still teach ... although I gave-up CCW classes a few years ago for insurance reasons.
I went to a red dot a few years ago and can still ding 8" steel under a timer at 25 meters like a champ ... which is saying something. We're not talking 21 feet here ... but 25 meters.
It took me awhile.
I also had both cataracts removed plus a retina reattached in the process.
I'm still mostly point and shoot by second nature, I do everything right, all of my mechanics are solid except, I don’t move as fluidly as I did in my 30s, 40s and even 50s. I slowed way down in my late 60s. I'm dealing with arthritic hands as well, bad knees, back, hips. Quad bypass in December. Pins in my hip and femur and ankle.
Red dots (i use SIG Romeos and Holosuns) helped me keep going fwiw. Took a little getting used-to but it was worth it.
My EDC is a SIG P365 X-Macro with a Romeo Zero Elite on top.
I shot IPSC, three gun and IDPA for years before the youngsters stsrted smoking me.
I transitioned to red dots a few years ago. I'm a mostly point and shoot guy still to this day with 50+ years of competition pistol shooting experience (I was even on the ACE Board that shot M9s (92Fs) in Italy back in the early 80s when I was with the old 509th 4/325 Pistol Teams under Nuke'm Needham in Vicenza when we were thinking of transitioning from 1911s to 92s.)
I shot Ernie Langdons for over two decades.
I went to P226s and now P320s.
My competitive days are over even though I still reload and put 10k+ rounds of 9mm a year downrange on my own steel range here on my property.
I still teach ... although I gave-up CCW classes a few years ago for insurance reasons.
I went to a red dot a few years ago and can still ding 8" steel under a timer at 25 meters like a champ ... which is saying something. We're not talking 21 feet here ... but 25 meters.
It took me awhile.
I also had both cataracts removed plus a retina reattached in the process.
I'm still mostly point and shoot by second nature, I do everything right, all of my mechanics are solid except, I don’t move as fluidly as I did in my 30s, 40s and even 50s. I slowed way down in my late 60s. I'm dealing with arthritic hands as well, bad knees, back, hips. Quad bypass in December. Pins in my hip and femur and ankle.
Red dots (i use SIG Romeos and Holosuns) helped me keep going fwiw. Took a little getting used-to but it was worth it.
My EDC is a SIG P365 X-Macro with a Romeo Zero Elite on top.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:47 am to Gaston
Shooting a pistol is less about slow aim, but lightning fast target acquisition. If you're closing your eye to aim a pistol, you're doing it wrong imo.
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