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OB's thoughts on lion killing situation in Africa?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:18 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:18 am
I know this subject has been beat to death over the past 48 hours but what do people that actually hunt think about this? I only hunt game that I can eat. I will shoot a coyote if I see one because they are a nuisance and kill deer & cattle. Never been a trophy hunter either. Personally I think the guy is a dumbass for not checking the validity of the guide he used to hunt the lion. Also when he saw the electronic collar on it that had to raise red flags. All in all it seems like overkill over a lion being shot, although I get why people are so up in arms about it.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:28 am to Tigah Jr
The a-hole needs to be shot.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:32 am to Tigah Jr
Granted, the only thing I know about this situation is what I've read here and maybe I don't know whole story but....
If I set up a feeder on my land adjacent to you and your high fence turdy point buck gets to it, he's going on the wall/freezer and I don't care if he's got a tag on his ear or a collar on his neck. Hell, I'll mount him on the wall wearing the fricking thing
There again, I probably don't have all the facts from the story.
If I set up a feeder on my land adjacent to you and your high fence turdy point buck gets to it, he's going on the wall/freezer and I don't care if he's got a tag on his ear or a collar on his neck. Hell, I'll mount him on the wall wearing the fricking thing
There again, I probably don't have all the facts from the story.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:36 am to Tigah Jr
Its not the end of the world to me, but I also dont get killing simething just to kill it. I'm not against deer hunting. I actually do it. But I'm not personally going to go out and try to kill the biggest rack deer. I am content shooting a doe for the meat. I leave the buck for friends and family that want to put a mount on the wall. I personally just don't get a rise out of shooting an animal because its horns are bigger than another. I'm not knocking anyone who does, but its arbitrary to me. And dont get me wrong, its exciting to see a big deer and even when someone else shoots one. But I think the trophy hunting aspect is lost on me. Again, not against it though.
Same with fishing. I only keep what I can eat or thjnk others would eat. Not trying to limit out every day of the weekend to the point of finding people who will take my fish. I'll throw them back in that case. No reason to kill fish just to say tou caught a limit.
Same with fishing. I only keep what I can eat or thjnk others would eat. Not trying to limit out every day of the weekend to the point of finding people who will take my fish. I'll throw them back in that case. No reason to kill fish just to say tou caught a limit.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:41 am to KG6
If the dentist honestly didn't know the boneheads that owned the land lured the lion out of the park, then I have no problem with what the dentist did. Those super rich big game hunters are the ones that end up paying for places/programs to keep these animals alive and safe from extinction more so than the bleeding heart liberals.
I do have an issue with the assholes that went into the park and lured the lion out of protected land though. This was more than just setting up a carcass just off park land. They actually went into the park with the carcass and got the lion to follow them off the park land. If the dentist was apart of that, he should get some jail time with the idiots that did this. Play by the rules.
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Then you got to add that they illegally removed the gps collar and took the pelt/head. When they figured out this lion was protected, they should of stopped what they were doing instead of getting the dentist his trophy even after realizing they fricked up even further.
I do have an issue with the assholes that went into the park and lured the lion out of protected land though. This was more than just setting up a carcass just off park land. They actually went into the park with the carcass and got the lion to follow them off the park land. If the dentist was apart of that, he should get some jail time with the idiots that did this. Play by the rules.
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Then you got to add that they illegally removed the gps collar and took the pelt/head. When they figured out this lion was protected, they should of stopped what they were doing instead of getting the dentist his trophy even after realizing they fricked up even further.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 6:47 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:43 am to DLauw
And do you lie and tell all your friends that you had been hunting that deer for months and watching him on your trail cam and finally had the satisfaction of a successful hunt that was able to feed your family and friends numerous meals?
Or are you proud to tell people that you shot your neighbors pet who got out of its fence, hang the head above your fireplace for all to see,and leave all the meat rotting away in the woods hoping for some cool points with your friends
Or are you proud to tell people that you shot your neighbors pet who got out of its fence, hang the head above your fireplace for all to see,and leave all the meat rotting away in the woods hoping for some cool points with your friends
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:44 am to Mark Makers
I'll get back to you when I finally shoot something with a rack
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:46 am to DLauw
LOL desperate times call for desperate measures
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:57 am to Tigah Jr
If the dentist was up to some shady stuff and knowingly harvested an illegal animal, shame on him and he should be punished. Years in prison in Africa... sounds a little steep.
However, I have absolutely no problem with big game hunting, trophy hunting or safaris. If you've got the money, have at it. Hunters are too quick to separate themselves from other hunters, in my opinion. Just because I don't trophy hunt doesn't mean I won't support someone else who does.
Everyone who hunts should support everyone else who hunts, as long as they are doing it within the law. Except for dog hunters...frick those guys.
However, I have absolutely no problem with big game hunting, trophy hunting or safaris. If you've got the money, have at it. Hunters are too quick to separate themselves from other hunters, in my opinion. Just because I don't trophy hunt doesn't mean I won't support someone else who does.
Everyone who hunts should support everyone else who hunts, as long as they are doing it within the law. Except for dog hunters...frick those guys.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:14 am to DownSouthDave
Agreed as long as its within the laws. If this situation falls outside of the law, I believe the guides should be the ones who receive the harsher punishment as their knowledge of the species and local law is what customers rely on.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:15 am to DownSouthDave
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However, I have absolutely no problem with big game hunting, trophy hunting or safaris. If you've got the money, have at it. Hunters are too quick to separate themselves from other hunters, in my opinion
Yeh. If dude knew they lured it off the property then he should have the penalties that come with it b/c that guide sure as frick will. That being said..... If not for these "terrible trophy hunters" many of those villages and preserves would either starve or go under. That money they spend is used to protect the preserves and the meat is given to the villages. So, for people to act like your an a-hole for shooting an animal (albeit this one is questionable) realize what's really going on here. The local economy depends on this money and food.
Have to do your homework with your guide though. You may never see your animals if anything is questioned. You can waste thousands of dollars out there. About 15 years ago it was 25k per big 5.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:19 am to Wtodd
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:28 am to Tigah Jr
The guy is probably a jackass, based on this being his second major infraction. That being said, people are ridiculous for making such a big deal about it. This guy's professional life has been ruined over something he did in Africa. All these animal loving self righteous hypocrites are the bigger problem threatening planet earth's inhabitants. If half of the people who are bitching about the killing of an African lion gave equal effort in trying to assist starving African children, the planet would be markedly better. Instead, everyone is jumping on a high horse to belittle a human for killing a wild animal. People need to re-evaluate their priorities and focus on helping people.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:43 am to Tigah Jr
Paid guide service lots of money to kill a lion for a trophy, guide put him on Lion, he killed Lion, money and meat went to local community, happens every day...
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:49 am to KG6
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Its not the end of the world to me, but I also dont get killing simething just to kill it. I'm not against deer hunting. I actually do it. But I'm not personally going to go out and try to kill the biggest rack deer. I am content shooting a doe for the meat. I leave the buck for friends and family that want to put a mount on the wall. I personally just don't get a rise out of shooting an animal because its horns are bigger than another. I'm not knocking anyone who does, but its arbitrary to me. And dont get me wrong, its exciting to see a big deer and even when someone else shoots one. But I think the trophy hunting aspect is lost on me. Again, not against it though.
This is my take on it. Venison tastes great. Antlers do not. As for the kind of trophy hunting where you shoot a famous, collared lion, it's basically a poor replacement for true manhood.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:49 am to Tigah Jr
I hate these situations because they make all hunters look bad. And, if I take the side of the animal nuts, then I'm helping to damage hunting. However, I don't hunt carnivore-type animals that I'm not going to eat. I don't see the point. And, it fricks up my pro-hunting argument of how prey animals need to be thinned and how the animal is used.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:51 am to DownSouthDave
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Everyone who hunts should support everyone else who hunts, as long as they are doing it within the law.
This is a pretty absurd argument. This is like saying that since I have a drink from time to time, I should support alcoholism, because it's technically legal.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:53 am to Teague
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I hate these situations because they make all hunters look bad. And, if I take the side of the animal nuts, then I'm helping to damage hunting. However, I don't hunt carnivore-type animals that I'm not going to eat. I don't see the point. And, it fricks up my pro-hunting argument of how prey animals need to be thinned and how the animal is used.
But what if you have a trained pterodactyl that gets a thrill out of stirring up lions?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:55 am to HebertFest08
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That money they spend is used to protect the preserves
Not so fast. That money went to some shady fricks who poached the preserve.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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But what if you have a trained pterodactyl that gets a thrill out of stirring up lions?
In that case, of course. What's a guy supposed to do, defy nature?
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