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No brow tine 6pt.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:15 am
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:15 am
Was told to take this deer out of our gene pool because he didn't have brow tines.
Thoughts?
I think this is only this deers second rack, but will do what our lease manager wants.
Thoughts?
I think this is only this deers second rack, but will do what our lease manager wants.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 7:33 am
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:38 am to Pepperidge
Take him out if you wish, but don't think for a minute that you are going to impact the gene pool by shooting a single buck.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:39 am to Pepperidge
I have this gene running around on my place as well. Have seen several over the years with no brow tines. I would shoot them if I could see them in the daylight but they turn into ninjas come rifle season.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:51 am to Pepperidge
It wouldn't take much convincing for me to shoot a legal buck but if he's thinking you'll improve herd genetics by doing so he's wrong.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:07 am to Pepperidge
You should shoot a buck cause you want to shoot it. Genetics in free range deer cannot be controlled with a rifle. Some bucks are late bloomers as well, especially when there’s not perfect soil quality around.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:26 am to Pepperidge
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Was told to take this deer out of our gene pool because he didn't have brow tines.
You should take him out and all the does on your place as well.!! That’s the only way your going to remove that gene!
You cannot improve a herd by culling, you should encourage your manager to study up on some recent deer studies.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:33 am to Ol boy
Can you link one of those studies? Genuinely interested in a different approach. I believe you because culling doesn’t seem to do shite on our place as far as ridding the undesirable genetics.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:34 am to Pepperidge
Had a much larger/older 6 on camera last year with no brow tines, and he's an 8 this year with normal brow tines. Just FYI.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:46 am to Goldensammy
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Take him out if you wish, but don't think for a minute that you are going to impact the gene pool by shooting a single buck.
Here's the issue. The gene is also carried by the does. And you can't tell if the does have it just by looking at them.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:51 am to Pepperidge
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Was told to take this deer out of our gene pool because he didn't have brow tines.
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our lease manager
Your lease manager is an idiot.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 7:59 am to redfieldk717
LINK
Here’s the one that gets referenced the most
From the article “With six days of capture using three helicopters on 18,000 acres over seven years and the culling of 908 bucks, we did not change the average Boone and Crockett score of the standing crop,” Draeger told the group. “That tells you how difficult it is to really manipulate a large deer herd on a large acreage.
Here’s the one that gets referenced the most
From the article “With six days of capture using three helicopters on 18,000 acres over seven years and the culling of 908 bucks, we did not change the average Boone and Crockett score of the standing crop,” Draeger told the group. “That tells you how difficult it is to really manipulate a large deer herd on a large acreage.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/8/21 at 8:10 am to Ol boy
My dad harvested this one a few years ago. I had pics of him the previous year as a 3 year old.
The pic doesn’t really do it justice, and I wouldn’t hesitate to harvest a buck that has no brow tines, especially if he’s and older deer.
The pic doesn’t really do it justice, and I wouldn’t hesitate to harvest a buck that has no brow tines, especially if he’s and older deer.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/8/21 at 8:24 am to Lonnie Utah
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Here's the issue. The gene is also carried by the does. And you can't tell if the does have it just by looking at them.
100%
Some people use “it’s a cull buck, so I shot it” as a means to pacify those that know no better while still putting meat in the freezer.
It’s not our fault some people are too stupid to realize the genes are not only carried by the buck, but also the mother doe and the doe fawn born with the “cull”.
frick it want some meat? “Ah it’s a cull, just cleaning up the herd.”
Posted on 11/8/21 at 8:48 am to Pepperidge
Culling only works when it’s for population control because the herd density number is out of whack. Like said above, people use it because they don’t want to claim a small buck. Shame seeing more and more of the “cull buck” mentality these days
Posted on 11/8/21 at 9:42 am to 17theBears
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Had a much larger/older 6 on camera last year with no brow tines, and he's an 8 this year
Thats what I'm thinking...looks like he's young and probably only his second rack
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:01 am to Pepperidge
Based on the Kerr WMA study Kerr Study, brow tines are a highly heritable trait. You can limit bucks with no brow tines by strict management. So your lease manager is not wrong. You would have to eliminate all bucks in the area that do not have brow tines and shoot mature does as much as possible to eventually limit the gene. You may not eradicate it, but you can limit it. Its not going to happen in just a couple years.
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Results showed that 90% of the bucks without brow tines at 3.5 and 4.5 years of age were spikes as yearlings. All bucks with 5 or more points as yearlings had both brow tines at maturity. All bucks without brow tines at 4.5 years of age had none when they were yearlings. All yearling bucks that had both brow tines had both brow tines at 3.5 and 4.5 years of age. In a related analysis, antler production also based on the presence or absence of brow tines within cohorts was compared.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:11 am to Pepperidge
It’s hard to figure what’s going on with deer and antlers.The last 2 seasons I had 4 separate bucks with a branched antler on R and spike for the L antler.I killed one of them but never saw the other 3.
This year I have not gotten a picture of any of them nor seen one.
Did they grow a branch antler on the spike side or did they just leave my property.
All I have seen this year in person or camera are normal racks and 1 spike.
I have a small property-300 acres so they could have very relocated but it seems strange that all 3 would leave.
This year I have not gotten a picture of any of them nor seen one.
Did they grow a branch antler on the spike side or did they just leave my property.
All I have seen this year in person or camera are normal racks and 1 spike.
I have a small property-300 acres so they could have very relocated but it seems strange that all 3 would leave.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 10:38 am to Pepperidge
You know how hard it is to truly manage a deer herd if your property is not high fence? You're not going to.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:50 am to LSUengr
Between the 7 of us members we probably have 30 cameras out on our 1100 acres
No one else has any 6pts or larger bucks with no brow tines on camera.
Im guessing that is why the decision was made to take him out before he breeds or breeds again
No one else has any 6pts or larger bucks with no brow tines on camera.
Im guessing that is why the decision was made to take him out before he breeds or breeds again
Posted on 11/8/21 at 11:58 am to Pepperidge
So when I asked about this one, my buddy that is managing the lease said this is a 140-150# 1-1/2 y.o. with his first rack and to let him walk
[Forkhorn one side long curved spike on the other]
Thoughts?
[Forkhorn one side long curved spike on the other]
Thoughts?
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