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re: New AR Recommendation
Posted on 10/9/22 at 11:12 am to SpookeyTiger
Posted on 10/9/22 at 11:12 am to SpookeyTiger
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Of the brands you mentioned, I’d go Sig.
Sig makes good stuff but they have a lot of propriety parts on their AR’s. I wouldn’t buy for that reason.
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 12:38 pm to goodgrin
Gas block I haven’t done.
I used the ruger elite 452 trigger. Like it very much.
I used the ruger elite 452 trigger. Like it very much.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 1:57 pm to bbvdd
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When had Colt had anything new come out?
Doesn't have to be a new design to be a solid rifle. I am not arguing Colt is the best, Colt is the most innovative, Colt is anything other than a solid choice for the money when it comes to their AR15's.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:03 pm to goodgrin
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Surefire Warcomp Flash hider for the Surefire 556 suppressor
Warcomp sucks as a suppressor host. It doesnt have the labyrinth seals so it has a lot of gas leakage. It makes the gun a lot louder. Switch to the three prong flash hider for better performance.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:18 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
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and decent trigger.
I'd just plan on swapping out the trigger if that's a factor. If you want to pay $1300 for an AR it doesn't make much sense not to use an aftermarket trigger.
As for what's "better" and what will out perform another brand, now that most garbage manufacturers have been weeded out 99% of it is bullshite and people are paying for rollmarks. It's an open source design and not very complicated and any decent manufacturer can make one with the proper materials, anodizing and tolerances. Usually the increased price isn't for functionality, it's for matched upper/lower sets with perfect anodization and no play and attention to detail on assembly, which you can probably do as well as a mass producer if you have any mechanical sense. I have no problem with boutique guns but frequently the only thing that's "better" about them is cosmetics, not how they shoot.
If you want a chrome-lined barrel you're not going for super accurate, so looks aside you're really just looking for reliability and the right configuration. Find a reputable manufacturer that makes the configuration you want, upgrade the trigger and shoot it.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:41 pm to Flats
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If you want a chrome-lined barrel you're not going for super accurate,
Come on, you might see a 1/4 moa difference between chrome lining and thermochemical treatment on equal barrels when new but over the lifetime of the barrel the chrome lined barrel is going to stay more consistent and will last much longer.
Honestly going either way is fine for the vast majority of people but chrome lined barrels can still be super accurate and precise.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 3:00 pm to armsdealer
People get hung up on chrome line vs non. The fact is in earlier days of the AR chrome line barrels were less accurate but improved manufacturing processes it’s less of a factor now.
98% of shooters will never come close to shooting out a barrel. Also most of major manufacturers make barrels that are accurate and can hit a human target at 300 meters with an average shooter.
98% of shooters will never come close to shooting out a barrel. Also most of major manufacturers make barrels that are accurate and can hit a human target at 300 meters with an average shooter.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 4:01 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
I have a Stag that I bought about 6 years ago for $750 and it’s a beast. No idea what that gun runs these days but it’s been a great gun for me.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 7:04 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
Posted on 10/9/22 at 10:44 pm to armsdealer
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Come on, you might see a 1/4 moa difference between chrome lining and thermochemical treatment on equal barrels when new but over the lifetime of the barrel the chrome lined barrel is going to stay more consistent and will last much longer.
I didn't say it turned it into an AK, I just said accuracy isn't driving the bus if you want chrome lined. I have chrome lined, I have stainless, I have nitrided barrels, and I like all of them, but they have different purposes. A true MOA AR isn't as common as people think (or claim) and people wanting to prioritize accuracy don't want to leave .25 MOA on the table just because the military uses chrome lined barrels.
Unless it's going on a machine gun chrome isn't going to last much longer than nitride, if at all.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:02 am to goodgrin
I love my Ruger
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:37 am to ConservativeBamaFan
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Springfield Saint Sig M400 IWI and Maybe a Stag Arms
Just bought a M400 for 500 bucks. Guy needed money. Flipped it for 1050 bucks 20 mins later. Had a nice Sig Tango 4 on it.
I would look at the Wilson Combat. Great guns.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:16 pm to ConservativeBamaFan
Rock River Arms (not Rock Island) is severely underrated in the AR market. A lot of government agencies use them because they are solid and dependable: DEA, FBI, U.S. Marshals, etc.
They make really really good ARs and they are priced pretty damn good too.
They make really really good ARs and they are priced pretty damn good too.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:50 pm to Landmass
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Rock River Arms
Man, during the old days of ARs when the AWB just lifted (2004-07 ish) RRA was considered a top of the line civilian AR.
LMT used to make their lowers, I think, and they were basically viewed as a great alternative to Colt.
Eagle Arms, Armalite, and Sabre Defence were also extremely highly regarded. Man, how that market has changed.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:59 pm to Jack Ruby
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Sabre Defence
My first SBR in 2008 had a Sabre Defense 11 inch barrel. Their barrels were considered some of the best at the time. Many SF teams used them. Dumbass owner got caught selling machine guns out of his trunk and company folded. I put 10K rounds through that barrel. Finally switched it out with a Noveske QCB.
They were hard as hell to get back then. Rifle Gear in Cali had 10 in stock. I should have bought 5 of them but they were $400 each at the time.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:03 pm to Landmass
RRA was top of the game for a while for Civilian weapons.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:06 am to ConservativeBamaFan
If you want something a little unique, take a look at the WWSD rifle through Brownells. Insanely light.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:43 am to Flats
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I have no problem with boutique guns but frequently the only thing that's "better" about them is cosmetics, not how they shoot.
Couldn't agree with you more. Most people don't understand that this is a mil-spec weapons system. Most people scoff at the cheaper brands on here, but if you have ever put one together before you can overcome the QC deficiencies they might have.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:38 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
quote:Good comment. Seems a lot of the premium associated with higher priced rifles is the assurance that you can take it out of the box, oil it, and not have to worry about function issues. But if you get a "budget" rifle, inspect it thoroughly, upgrade it where it counts, and run it for a bit, you can ultimately end up with a system that's just as reliable and as accurate (and the vast majority of people won't be able to outshoot the rifle anyway).
Couldn't agree with you more. Most people don't understand that this is a mil-spec weapons system. Most people scoff at the cheaper brands on here, but if you have ever put one together before you can overcome the QC deficiencies they might have.
For every PSA with a loose castle nut or handguard screw there are probably 100 like this: LINK
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:58 pm to TideCPA
More impressed with the optic. Holy shite
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