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re: interesting discussion about snake ID

Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by Mung
Ba’on Rooj
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:19 pm to
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what's this then?


3 drunks and a diamondback watersnake, at the mouth of the Searcy Oxbow on the Red River lake system. Note the consistency of the pattern. nothing like the questioned picture, which has more mottled, irregular bands.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:20 pm to
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looks stocky like a cotton mouth. The body goes from fat to just a small tail, no tapering to a skinny tail.
Wow I see a snake that would be the skinniest cottmouth on record for that length.
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:22 pm to
I see the rest of the tail now. I missed it. It does have a long skinny tail.

Not sure

I would still treat it like a cotton mouth.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:36 pm to
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I have never seen a copperhead purposely swim in water like that


I have seen them swimming many times.

ETA: but i am not sure if they were swimming on purpose or accidentally fell in the canal
This post was edited on 5/10/11 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

I have seen them swimming many times.


I'm not saying they wouldn't to cross a bayou or something, but I always encounter copperheads on dry gravel roads or on forest floors blending in with fallen leaves. I wouldn't say a copperhead is a "water" snake.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:43 pm to
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I'm not saying they wouldn't to cross a bayou or something, but I always encounter copperheads on dry gravel roads or on forest floors blending in with fallen leaves. I wouldn't say a copperhead is a "water" snake.


No I wasn't saying that either. We use to catch diamondbacks and bandits(banded) all the time and occasionally would see a copperhead swimming. One thing I am certain of is if you are close and see a copperhead or cottonmouth you will know that they are venomous b/c they just look evil.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 2:56 pm to
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The fact remains that it's a GDCK, and it could kill every single one of us just by looking at us.


Take that shite to the OT.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:16 pm to

quote:

I was just reading a website that said copperheads can get to 36 inches, bullshite, I would say the avg. copperhead is 16 inches long.



That may be the average of what you've seen, but I've seen one that was more like 40 inches. Scariest fricking snake ever. HUGE copperhead.
Posted by LSU 318 LSU
El Cerrito Place
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:23 pm to
Def not a water Moccasin
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:25 pm to
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I'd grab that snake with my bare hand I'm so sure it's a water snake



I'd grab that snake with my bare hand anyway, snakes are defenseless when eating.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69997 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:28 pm to
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Scariest fricking snake ever. HUGE copperhead.


I would say a 10-12ft black mamba would be scarier. Thankfully we don't have them here
Posted by lsu_tiger_az
AZ/LA
Member since Mar 2004
30404 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:38 pm to
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That may be the average of what you've seen, but I've seen one that was more like 40 inches. Scariest fricking snake ever. HUGE copperhead.


Then you'll be glad you've never seen an 8' Eastern Diamondback Rattler.....


Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:40 pm to
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Then you'll be glad you've never seen an 8' Eastern Diamondback Rattler
We've got the skin from a 6' rattler hanging on the wall at the camp
Posted by lsu_tiger_az
AZ/LA
Member since Mar 2004
30404 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:45 pm to
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We've got the skin from a 6' rattler hanging on the wall at the camp




The one we ran into was a pregnant female....

she was almost as big as a volleyball

Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:56 pm to
I'd probably would have shite my pants
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

Definitely a cottonmouth. When younger, they have they bands like that. as they age, they tend to just turn black.[/quote



[quote]I believe you are correct.


Could be. When young and small they look like that but based on the size of the bream the nasty bastard is ingesting... I don't know. Definitely not a Broad Banded Water Snake and Copperheads don't really like water.



Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

What's this then?


That is a Canebrake.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:45 pm to
Mamba I'll grant you, but nothing scares me more in this state than copperheads because every time I find one it's right as I'm about to step on it and I had a few instances of being caught in the middle of a mess of them while bow hunting in October so I didn't have a gun. Would spot one on a creek wall I was slipping down then I'd see another, and another, and another, and another.... All around me and I still had to get out of there without getting bit.

Something about copperheads in early October. They are highly agitated and trying to get some pussy so they gang up like that. And they're practically invisible.

frick a bunch of copperheads.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87335 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

That is a Canebrake.




Canebrake water snake?
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

Canebrake water snake?


You know it is. Very dangerous & stealthy.
Second only to the GDCK & inland Taipan.
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